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July 8, 2005,
Gleneagles
President Putin's Meeting with Russian and Foreign
Media Following the G8 Summit
QUESTION: I have a question about terrorism. Yesterday you spoke of the need
for us all to act together to fight terrorism mercilessly. But in our society,
both among politicians and among the public, there is a certain amount of
anti-western and anti-American feeling. Does this have an effect on our efforts
to fight terrorism? Does it weaken our efforts?
PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN: In general, I think these anti-western and
anti-American feelings you are talking about are connected to the inadequate
reaction certain media outlets have had to tragic events that have taken place
in our country. Some media outlets, as you may recall, referred to the
terrorists – evildoers of the likes the world had not yet seen, those who took
hostage the school in Beslan – as fighters for who knows what cause, as “rebels”
and so on. But this is certainly not the line followed by the leadership in our
partner countries, be it the United States or our Western European partners.
They are all firmly committed to fighting terrorism resolutely, and I have
absolutely no doubt on this point.
I think that we will all reach the point where we can get beyond these
misinterpretations of the real nature of events. When I say all of us, I mean
the politicians, the media and representatives of civil society. After tragedies
of the kind that struck Britain yesterday, we all become wiser and more
experienced and we all begin to realise more acutely that there can be no double
standards and no double way of looking at things, as we in Russia have tried to
make clear on so many occasions. I am absolutely convinced of this and I have no
doubt that, unfortunately, it is through such tragic mistakes that we learn, and
I am certain that we will join forces and we will be able to win this fight
against terrorism.
QUESTION: When the news came through of the bomb attacks in London, was there
a real danger that the summit would not continue its work? We see now that this
did not happen. Do you think the summit’s agenda ended up being cut short, and
were you able to fully address all the questions that had been planned for the
meeting?
VLADIMIR PUTIN: I am sure there was no danger of the summit not continuing. I
am 100-percent certain of this and don’t doubt for a second that there was any
danger of it not going on. All my colleagues, all the G8 leaders gathered here
in Gleneagles, were firmly convinced that our work should and would continue. We
had no intention of satisfying the terrorists’ wishes by stopping our work. All
the more so as the questions we were dealing with are all aimed at resolving
various problems we face in the world today, problems such as destitution,
poverty, the fight to achieve effective economic development in the world – all
problems that we also need to resolve in order to win the fight against
terrorism. All of this is part of the fight against terrorism in the broader
sense.
So, not even yesterday’s terrible tragedy could stop us. On the contrary, we
were full of determination to work through the agenda in full and complete all
the work that was planned. As for whether we had to trim the agenda, this was
not the case, of course. We did everything we had planned and even a little
more, I think. We also discussed other issues and gave particular attention, of
course, to yesterday’s tragic events and the need to unify our efforts in the
fight against terrorism.
QUESTION: Which question gave rise to the greatest debate during your
discussions? Of course, you would have been not just sitting down at the same
table together, but also speaking with each other in the corridors. What sorts
of things did you discuss and how would you describe the atmosphere?
VLADIMIR PUTIN: In the corridors we generally discussed the issues we did not
get a chance to discuss at our meetings together, and I think this is usually
the case. All our discussions, practically on every issue, were very lively
indeed. It was not at all like the old days of Communist Party congresses where
everyone was unanimous. Often one or another of us would express their own
opinion and this would start a debate. It really makes me happy to see that in
this group of leaders of eight countries, everyone knows how to listen to each
other, respect each others’ point of view, take in what is being said and, if
need be, even adjust their own position. What I can say at any rate is that we
had a very intensive and effective discussion on all the issues on our agenda,
on integrating developing economies into the world system, opening up markets,
the question of subsidies for this or that sector in developed countries, issues
on the international agenda, Middle East peace settlement, the situation in Iraq
and on the Syrian border, nuclear non-proliferation and so on.
QUESTION: Good afternoon, I want to raise a sore point…
VLADIMIR PUTIN: You have a sore point?
QUESTION: Yes, very much so. I would like to know, how do you feel about the
fact that the G8 summit is totally closed off from an information point of view?
We are really shocked by the situation: we are working here just a few minutes
walk from the hotel, but over these three days here we have seen absolutely
nothing of what has been taking place. Is this a normal situation? Thank you.
VLADIMIR PUTIN: Well, it doesn’t look to me like all of you gathered here are
in a state of shock.
RESPONSE: We are doing our utmost to hide it.
VLADIMIR PUTIN: You are doing a very good job of it. I really can’t tell that
you are in a state of shock.
As for the question of how open we are, I think that our work would lose its
sense if it were to take place constantly before the cameras. Open, intensive
and substantial work is impossible even with just one camera going the whole
time. It’s simply impossible. Everyone would feel as if they were on stage in
front of millions of viewers and it wouldn’t be the right conditions for
producing genuinely substantial work.
Regarding information on the G8’s work, I think that the information provided
is really quite exhaustive. We don’t have any secrets at all. There are no
subjects not made open to the public. Everything we discuss is made public and
explained in complete detail. There are no questions that I or any of my
colleagues would try to avoid answering. Everything is open.
The technical side of the work is another matter, and if you think that some
improvements could be made in this area then all of the G8 leaders and Russia,
as the presiding country in 2006, will examine what additional steps we can take
to ensure that the media are more involved in the day-to-day work at the G8
summits.
QUESTION: Yesterday’s horrific terrorist attack on London has forced many
people to consider taking new measures to combat terrorism. Could this fight
against terrorism lead to a clampdown in the civilised nations, and could this
in turn undermine the very foundations of democracy, undermine internal
democracy?
VLADIMIR PUTIN: At first glance it does look as though taking tougher
measures against crime, against this absolute evil that is terrorism, could
indeed lead to a clampdown in our societies. But if we were to actually take
that road we would be playing right into the terrorists’ hands, because this is
exactly what they want. Their goal is to destroy democracy and destroy
democratic society, and we, of course, will not do anything that could help them
achieve this goal.
There is no doubt at all in my mind that democratic society has at its
disposal enough effective means for fighting terrorism and achieving results.
The main condition for our success, as I have stressed in the past, is for the
international community to unite and work together to prevent terrorists from
slipping through the cracks between us and to plug the gaps in our common
defences. If we do this, I am sure that our action will be far more productive
and effective and that we will achieve positive results together in this combat
against terrorism.
QUESTION: You announced that the next G8 summit would take place in St
Petersburg. Why did you choose St Petersburg? How did your colleagues react to
this choice, and what will be the main subjects on the agenda for the summit?
VLADIMIR PUTIN: Everyone generally accepts the host country’s decision. We
chose St Petersburg for several reasons. One reason is that we won’t need to
spend extra money preparing for the summit. We already did a lot of
organisational work and spent a considerable amount of money on the 300th
anniversary of St Petersburg, and it would be foolish to repeat this whole
process again from scratch and spend just as money again on preparing the G8
summit.
St Petersburg already has the infrastructure we need. Not even the Kremlin
has such infrastructure, because the Kremlin is not designed for these kinds of
mass events. What’s more, in St Petersburg we can, or at least, we will try to
organise this event in such a way as not to place an excessive burden on the
city’s infrastructure. Such are the main reasons for our choice, and they are
essentially technical considerations. As for our partners’ reaction, it seems to
me they are genuinely happy and ready to come to St Petersburg.
Regarding the main subjects on the agenda, under Russia’s chairmanship, the
work will follow on from previous summits, including this one. We cannot ignore
the question of overcoming poverty, and we cannot ignore the fight against
terrorism. At the same time, however, Russia proposes making world energy policy
the key issue for the next summit. Even during our discussions on global
finances, world trade and global economic development yesterday, more than
two-thirds of our attention was spent on energy issues. It is only natural that
Russia, the world leader on the energy market, should focus precisely on energy
policy. If you put together Russia’s energy potential in all areas, oil, gas,
and nuclear, our country is unquestionably the world leader. We are most
certainly ready to discuss all these issues and want to make this the main
subject for our summit.
These questions aside, I also think that if we are talking about overcoming
poverty and about global economic integration, we should not forget the
interests of the post-Soviet area. We also want to make this a part of our work
on these issues. Finally, I think that there are some issues that demand
particular attention from the G8 today, and these are issues that concern not
only the world’s poorest countries, not only those who need our economic
assistance and our political and moral support.
You know, we tend to shy away from addressing certain problems we face in our
own countries. One of these is the demographic problem – a matter of great
importance for all of us. The fatter and richer we all become, the greater our
demographic problems become. All my colleagues agreed with me that we should
think about this over the coming year and make some decisions in St Petersburg
at our next summit that will have a positive impact on the situation in our
countries.
You are no doubt familiar with the United Nations’ forecasts in this area.
All the European countries are in a situation of demographic decline. The only
G8 country with positive demographic growth is the United States, and this is
thanks to immigrants and the Latin American population. It is good that they
have found at least some way of resolving the problem, but I think that even
there it is still not enough. Today, therefore, when I consulted with my
partners during the first part of our meeting on whether they think we could
also discuss this matter, they all agreed. What’s more, [EU Commission
President] Mr Barroso said that a study would soon be made of the demographic
situation in the European Union, and this could serve as the basis for the
materials we will use to prepare this subject.
QUESTION: Did the summit discuss the question of expanding the G8?
VLADIMIR PUTIN: No, this summit did not discuss this issue. If you are
referring to a possible enlargement, I would say that, as far my personal point
of view goes, discussing world trade and economic issues or world finances
without, say, China and India, is quite difficult. But there are two
circumstances I would like to draw to your attention in this respect.
First, Russia itself only recently became a member of the G8 and it would not
be proper for us to raise the issue of enlargement. Second, the countries I just
referred to, along with other countries, are regularly invited to take part in
discussions and their views are taken into account in work on preparing this or
that document. During Russia’s presidency of the G8 we will continue this
practice.
QUESTION: By what percentage can Russia increase its oil supplies to the G8
countries and over what time-frame?
VLADIMIR PUTIN: Russia is constantly increasing its supplies to the world
markets, and not just to the G8 countries but to all players on the market. It
would be a bad thing if we started just dealing amongst ourselves in our own
little club. It would be a very negative signal for the rest of the world. The
world, fortunately, does not consist of the G8 countries alone but is far
broader, far more interesting and diverse. Our task is not just to resolve the
problems we face, such as the demographic problem, which is of particular
importance above all for the G8 countries, but, working from an economic point
of view, our task is to help make the world more harmonious and make the rules
governing international economic interaction more democratic.
In this respect we remain committed to market mechanisms for the global
economy. We will increase our supply of energy resources to the world market and
we will also continue to work on developing nuclear energy. Regarding nuclear
energy, there are also many non-proliferation issues that we need to discuss, as
this is a very sensitive subject.
Regarding increases in our energy production and supplies, what I can tell
you is that, first, Russia currently produces around 470 million tons of oil a
year – we will increase production – and we export around 230 tons of this
total. We plan to raise export supplies to 250 million-270 million tons a year.
Second, there are agreements that we have already signed and that have
already come into effect. From 2010, we will increase our gas supplies to
Western Europe by 40 million cubic metres. These are contracts that are already
signed. In order to carry out these ambitious plans we are going to expand our
transport capacity, both railway and pipeline transport. In this aim we intend
to implement two major oil transport projects. One will be in the Far East with
a terminus on the Pacific coast. Construction will take around three years and
will see 30 million tons of oil pumped to the station of Skovorodino on the
Chinese border.
Of these 30 million tons, 20 million tons will be shipped to the Chinese
market and 10 million will be taken by rail transport to the Pacific coast. As
the oil in this pipeline increases through the development of new sources and
fields in Eastern Siberia, we will build a second section of the pipeline that
will run right to the Pacific coast. This system will then be pumping 50 million
tons with an outlet on the White Sea. The sea is deep there and big tankers,
even 500,000-ton capacity tankers can navigate there. From there, oil can be
shipped to any point, to any market, including to the U.S. market.
We also plan to increase our liquefied gas production. The technology for
producing liquefied gas is improving all the time and is becoming a lot cheaper
and this creates economic opportunities for us to expand our work and it means
that our liquefied gas is competitive on the North American market. This year,
our tankers will deliver the first shipment of liquefied gas from Gazprom to the
consumers. We will develop our transport capacity, including by taking the Blue
Stream pipeline on the bed of the Black Sea to its full design capacity. Today
we are pumping around 4 billion cubic metres through this system but this could
be raised to 16 billion. We will raise capacity by 2 billion cubic metres a
year. We are also ready to work together with Ukraine and develop the pipeline
system there, so long as they do not siphon off gas. Another area in which we
can develop the transport system is in Belarus and Poland.
Finally, most important of all, there is the construction of the Northern
European gas pipeline. There are a number of different capacity options open
here. The pipeline will be laid on the Baltic Seabed. Finally, there is another
possibility: we are engaged in active talks with our Norwegian partners, who
have an extensive and well-developed pipeline system. There won’t be enough
Norwegian gas to keep this system running at full capacity within a decade. The
experts are all well aware of this. The Norwegians are a very good partner for
us and we hope that this partnership will have visible, positive results for the
entire world economy, including for the G8 countries.
QUESTION: it’s well known that the G8 is in many ways based on personal
diplomacy. Could you tell us about the personal relations within the G8? For
example, do you think the cooling in relations brought about after the events in
Iraq is over now? Are there any particularly close alliances within the G8? How
do personal relations influence relations between states in general?
VLADIMIR PUTIN: I’m not about to “undress the G8” for you. I won’t say
anything on this point.
QUESTION: Two years ago, you set the objective of doubling GDP within ten
years. Given the serious divergences within the government on this question and
also the slowdown in growth, do you think this goal is still realistic?
VLADIMIR PUTIN: Yes, I did indeed say that it was our objective to double GDP
within a decade, and I declared this goal two or three years ago. But when it
comes down to it, what I said is not so important; it’s what the experts
calculate that is important. The calculations show that in order to reach this
goal, our economy needs to grow by around 7 percent a year. We have had an
average annual growth rate of 7.1 percent in the Russian economy over the last
five years.
The Economic Development and Trade Ministry planned for growth of 5.4 percent
last year, but the Russian economy in fact grew by 7.2 percent. As for the
slowdown in growth, it’s still early days yet – we still need to wait until the
end of the year to see what results activity in the agricultural sector has
produced.
What we see is that, overall, the development forecast for the world economy
is slightly lower than it was last year. Given that the Russian economy is
becoming more and more integrated into the world economy, there is nothing
surprising that this overall slowdown should also be reflected in our economy.
But I will insist that our government look for ways to reach the goals we have
set. I don’t know how it works in your country, but I know that in Russia if we
don’t set big goals, we won’t be able to resolve the smaller problems we face.
QUESTION: Although you did not have a separate bilateral meeting with the
U.S. President, you know doubt did have the chance to talk together. Could you
tell us what questions you discussed primarily?
VLADIMIR PUTIN: I had quite active contact with my colleagues in general,
including with President Bush. We discussed a broad range of matters. Above all,
we spoke about the problem of terrorism in the world and increasing our
cooperation in this area. We also discussed our economic interaction in the
context of approving the protocol on Russia’s accession to the World Trade
Organisation. These were the main subjects we talked about. Our experts
discussed the need to clarify the list of mutual tasks, and it is an impressive
list. So, a substantial amount of important work was accomplished at expert
level.
QUESTION: It is no secret that Russia is not the world’s wealthiest country.
What do we stand to gain from providing aid to African countries?
VLADIMIR PUTIN: I think we already gained a great deal from the assistance we
have provided in the past. I would like to note that first the Soviet Union and
then Russia have always had a special relationship with the African continent. A
large number of Africa’s present leaders studied in the Russian Federation. It
would be simply foolish to let slip this immense political capital that we so
greatly need today. The previous generation of our citizens built up this
special relationship at a substantial cost and it would be foolish indeed to
simply throw it all away.
What form does our assistance take today? Above all, it takes the form of
writing off debts. We are one of the leaders in this respect. What we are
talking about here is writing off the debts of countries whose level of economic
development makes it impossible for them to ever be able to repay these debts.
We are therefore taking steps to help them. Another area of assistance to the
poorest countries, including in Africa, is in helping them solve healthcare and
education problems. By the way, I want to make the issues of fighting the most
dangerous diseases and improving education part of the agenda for the G8 summit
in 2006. We also have to deal with these problems in our own country. We need to
work out a common approach and a common philosophy and put in place the
mechanisms for resolving these issues.
QUESTION: Why did you set a date for your meeting with [Japanese Prime
Minister] Junichiro Koizumi even though differences of opinion on the
territorial issue still remain? What are your expectations of this visit? What
needs to be done for Russia and Japan to sign a peace treaty?
VLADIMIR PUTIN: Regarding the date for the visit to Japan, we went along with
the Japanese side’s wishes. We had proposed several options but our Japanese
friends found the date that you mentioned most convenient. For our part, we have
no objection, as we agreed on a date that would be convenient for both sides.
Regarding the main point in your question, the territorial issue – I would
call it the problem of signing a peace treaty – I think you will agree with me
that in order to someday settle this question, we need to work on it together,
and in order to work on it, we need to meet, to understand each other and trust
each other. In order to trust each other, we need to build up our cooperation.
These are the issues we intend discussing during my visit to Japan.
QUESTION: Many politicians have not been very flattering about the work of
[Prime Minister] Mikhail Fradkov’s cabinet. Are you satisfied with the
government’s work? How do you feel about the fact that personal conflicts arise
between the Prime Minister and his subordinates?
VLADIMIR PUTIN: When I was a child I was taught to make no requests and feel
no regrets. That is one of the golden rules I try to follow. I don’t think the
Prime Minister has compromised himself in any way and deserves any particular
public condemnation. As for criticism of the Prime Minister’s work, it is a
normal thing in any country. Regarding Mr Fradkov, I am able to make an
objective assessment of his work and I think that he is doing a perfectly
satisfactory job of carrying out his duties.
As for the problem you mentioned regarding public discussion between
subordinates – I don’t think this was the best way the Prime Minister could have
organised his work, but this was his decision and it is his right.
QUESTION: At the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation summit that just took
place in Kazakhstan, the organisation’s members agreed to ask the members of the
anti-terrorist coalition to examine a timetable for withdrawing their bases from
Central Asia. Was this issue discussed here? Did you sound out your coalition
partners on the possible timetable for the withdrawal of their bases from
Central Asia and their reaction to this idea?
VLADIMIR PUTIN: First of all, I want to say that the anti-terrorist coalition
does not have any modern bases on Central Asian territory. They do have air
force contingents temporarily stationed there in order to take part in the
anti-terrorist operations in Afghanistan. At the time that this issue was being
settled our U.S. colleagues asked us to support them and we gave them our
support. At that time it was made clear that these contingents, above all air
force contingents, would be stationed there temporarily, for the duration of the
anti-terrorist operation. We discussed this personally on many occasions. I do
not thing that we discussed anything surprising or unexpected at the Shanghai
Cooperation Organisation summit in Astana. There was nothing unusual, nothing
out of the ordinary and certainly nothing directed against anyone else in what
we discussed. It was simply that the countries that have made their territory
available to these contingents would like to know how their partners view the
idea of the completion of anti-terrorist operations in Afghanistan. Elections
have been held successfully there and this means that part of the process is now
complete and the country is now preparing for parliamentary elections. There is
nothing unusual in this discussion – it is normal, routine work.
QUESTION: The documents signed in Astana declare that the Shanghai
Cooperation Organisation countries will develop new mechanisms for responding to
emergency situations. What is implied here? Are we talking about some kind of
information exchanges or will joint military operations be held in the future?
VLADIMIR PUTIN: We are not talking of military operations of any kind. What
we are talking about is above all providing moral and political support for each
other and making the necessary exchanges, including of information. As for
responding to a potential external aggressor, these problems are not discussed
at all within the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation framework.
QUESTION: The news has appeared in the press that Gazprom is interested in
buying Sibneft, and then in Astana, Rosneft also said it was interested in
buying Sibneft’s assets because it would be a major asset. Does the state have a
position on this matter?
VLADIMIR PUTIN: The state has no position at this point. I know that Gazprom
and Sibneft have held talks. I think that this is not a state priority, but is a
private affair, including for the owners of Sibneft. I won’t hide that I
discussed this with Sibneft and I stressed that they should approach it as a
market deal, if they want to go ahead with it at all. The fact that a state
company wants to buy Sibneft’s assets does not mean that the state shares this
same objective. The company’s shareholders are all informed about the situation
and, to be honest, I don’t know what decision they will make and how much of
their assets they will sell and to whom.
From here the President’s meeting with the Russian and foreign media
continued as an informal discussion.
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