Johnson's Russia List #6109 2 March 2002 davidjohnson@erols.com A CDI Project www.cdi.org [Note from David Johnson: 1. AP: US European Command to Include Russia. 2. UPI: Bruce Tober, Big increase forecast in Russian Net use. 3. Harley Balzer: RUSSIAN POLITICIAN DENOUNCES “TRIPLE AXEL OF EVIL” 4. Luba Schwartzman: ORT Review. 5. The Russia Journal: Alexander Kondorsky, Knowledge costs. 6. Carnegie Endowment for International Peace meeting report: David Hoffman, Oligarchic Capitalism in Russia: The Past, Present and Future. 7. AP: Putin Backs U.S. on Georgia Effort. 8. eurasianet.org: Ian Bremmer, DEFINING THE LIMITS OF TERRORISM: THE UNITED STATES, RUSSIA AND CHECHNYA. 9. Asia Times: Sergei Blagov, Kremlin puts immigration into police hands. 10. The Russia Journal: On nukes, trials and Russia’s new role. (discussion with Andrei Piontkovsky, Pavel Podvig, and Eduard Lozansky)] ******* #1 US European Command to Include Russia March 1, 2002 By ROBERT BURNS WASHINGTON (AP) - The Pentagon plans to place responsibility for Russia with the U.S. European Command, which is now in charge of American military forces and military-to-military relations in Europe. No U.S. warfighting command has ever had Russia as part of its area of responsibility. Military-to-military relations with Russia have been handled by the Joint Chiefs of Staff in the Pentagon. The change is intended, at least in part, to make management of U.S. military relations with Russia work more like it does with other countries. It would make the commander of European Command, Air Force Gen. Joseph Ralston, responsible for activities with Russia, including joint exercises and military-to-military exchanges. U.S. officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Friday the change is part of a larger reorganization of geographic responsibilities of the five ``combatant commands,'' which have operational control of U.S. combat forces in defined parts of the globe. President Bush has been briefed on the changes to the Unified Command Plan but has not yet approved them, officials said. George Joulwan, a retired Army general who was commander of European Command from 1993 to 1997, applauded the change. ``It makes eminent good sense,'' he said Friday, because it will allow for more direct communications with Russian military officials by the U.S. commander who deals them most often. ``We have a great opportunity to develop ways to work together as partners,'' Joulwan said. He noted that Russian and American troops are operating together as peacekeepers in Bosnia. European Command also has responsibilities in other areas of interest to Russia, including Israel and most of Africa. The post-Sept. 11 war on terrorism requires an even closer military-to-military relationship with Russia, Joulwan said. This week the United States said it plans to send a small number of troops to Georgia, a former Soviet republic on Russia's border, to train its military in fighting terrorists. The commander of European Command is also commander of all NATO forces in Europe. Russia is not a NATO member, but it has an association with the alliance through a program called Partnership for Peace. Besides European Command, which is based in Stuttgart, Germany, the other U.S. combatant commands are Miami-based Southern Command; Hawaii-based Pacific Command; Norfolk, Va.-based Joint Forces Command; and Central Command, which is based in Tampa, Fla., and is running the war in Afghanistan. Pentagon officials have said in recent weeks that other changes to the Unified Command Plan include creating a new defense command - perhaps to be called Northern Command - to oversee all military personnel involved in protecting U.S. territory. It is not clear who would run the new command. On the Net: U.S. European Command: http://www.eucom.mil/ ****** #2 Big increase forecast in Russian Net use By Bruce Tober Special to UPI March 1, 2002 Russia is expected to see a doubling of Internet connections during the next four years. And unlike most of the Western world, the majority of those will be businesses, according to a leading industry analyst, who also says that contrary to most of the rest of the world where Nokia is king of the mobile phone mountain, in Russia, it's Siemens that leads the pack in the $560 million mobile-phone market. "The key factor is where computers are used," said Simon Baker, research analyst for the Russian office of international technology consultancy IDC, a specialist in e-business strategies, telecommunications and mobile and wireless. "The number of computers in use in the home is low compared to that in more wealthy countries. IDC measures computer sales and our projections on Internet use are made in close relation to our forecasts of PC sales and what proportion of PCs will be in use in the home," he told United Press International. Baker does, however, forecast faster take-up of the Internet by consumers during the next four years. "Growth in the consumer market is, however, even faster. The number of consumer connections will expand at an average of 30 percent per year to 2005." Although it's not been studied, Baker believes the Siemens mobile-phone lead is due to "the generally good image of German technology in Russia, and in particular the status of German cars as the most desirable. Siemens' sales as a percentage of the market are noticeably higher in Moscow than in St. Petersburg and the regions, where the position of Nokia, which already had a strong position in the Russian mobile market before Siemens became very active here." There are two major mobile operating standards, GSM (Global System for Mobile Communications) and CDMA (Code Division Multiple Access). GSM, which originated in Europe, accounts for approximately 70 percent of the total digital wireless market today. Hence it offers the largest selection of handsets. CDMA is primarily used in the USA. Baker says the Russian market is predominantly GSM. He notes that while CDMA is licensed for use in Russia, "the Russian government has restricted its use to fixed wireless applications (in which mode it is used by Sonet here in Moscow)." What this means is that third generation (3G) mobile services will be slowed in Russia because "these applications need lots of bandwidth and hence will be launched in many countries under newly licensed frequencies, which were often auctioned (the 3G auctions which accounted for so much hype in 2000)." "However, they could be launched using existing bandwidth allocations in Russia if there were not many users," Baker added. Baker believes it's very much up in the air as to when 3G will come to Russia "in the forms to be used in Western Europe, as these 3G technologies are CDMA-based, and note the current licensing restriction in Russia. The Russian government has so far made no official pronouncement on how it may license 3G here." The key factor in the growth of the consumer market, he says, "is sale of PCs. With Russia's economic recovery from the 1998 crisis, and in particular continuing internal inflation which is producing an increase in real incomes in dollar terms, PCs are becoming affordable for more households." And in the regions outside Moscow and St. Petersburg, falling costs of Internet access will contribute greatly to this growth. "In Moscow and St. Petersburg tariffs are lower than in the regions and will fall more slowly." Broadband connectivity, a major issue in the telecom industry in both the United States and the UK, where its rollout is exceedingly slow in comparison to user demand, will likewise be very slow in Russia during the next few years, especially for consumers, though businesses will see a higher and faster take-up, he says. "In Russia Internet access will continue to be dominated by conventional dial-up access for several years. Broadband will be a small business here for a long time in the consumer market. In the business market we expect leased line and DSL broadband service to have a substitution effect on dial-up." So who are the winners? Baker says with regard to the Internet, "there is only one ISP with a national brand name, Golden Telecom, and then it does not offer service in many areas. Scale matters, but a preferential link to the city phone network can be a more important factor in success. Overlay networks such as Comstar, Peterstar, Sovintel and Combellga also have advantages as they can bundle Internet access with voice and other data services to their business customers, and it is this business Internet market in which most of the profit lies." And with regard to mobile phone services, he notes, "The advantage in mobile is clearly with large GSM operators with a well-known brand name, a presence in major markets and access to capital at reasonable cost (i.e. MTS, Vimpelcom and Megafon/North West GSM). They will increasingly dominate the business." The mobile business in Russia, he concludes, is growing fast and "will continue to do so for several years, and in the longer term will catch up with markets in Central Europe." In the Internet business, low PC ownership will stymie rapid growth. "A key difference," he adds, "in both markets from the international norm is that in neither is the former state telecoms monopoly the dominant player." ******* #3 Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 From: "Harley D. Balzer"Subject: RUSSIAN POLITICIAN DENOUNCES “TRIPLE AXEL OF EVIL” In the tradition of Herman Melville's last novel, I offer this item from a new Rusian web site: www.rodinamoya.ru April 1, 2002 RUSSIAN POLITICIAN DENOUNCES “TRIPLE AXEL OF EVIL” Vladimir Zhirinovskii, leader of the Russian Liberal Democratic Party, today added a new twist to Russia’s complaints regarding the judging of Olympic figure skating at the Salt Lake City Games. Speaking to reporters, Zhrinovskii stated that there are reliable rumors that U. S. Gold Medalist Sarah Hughes received secret training at a previously unknown skating facility in the Pankisi Gorge in Georgia. “According to information from the top levels of Russia’s Ministry of Defense,” said Zhirinovskii, “it is impossible to rule out a scenario where Hughes prepared for the Olympics with assistance from groups tied to Usama Bin Laden. Just think; if she trained wearing a Burqa, she would have had an unfair advantage over the other skaters when she performed without it. That would explain her unprecedented success in landing all those triple jumps.” A spokesman for a spokesman for a spokesman for White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer rejected the Russian Duma Vice-Speaker’s allegations. According to the White House Press Secretary, “President Bush sees nothing wrong with U. S. skaters training in Georgia. The city of Atlanta has a solid Olympic tradition after hosting the games.” ******* #4 ORT Review www.ortv.ru Compiled by Luba Schwartzman (luba7@bu.edu) Research fellow at the Institute for the Study of Conflict, Ideology and Policy at Boston University HEADLINES, Friday, March 01, 2002 - Journalists in Chechnya were shown a terrorist training videotape that was discovered during a special operation in the Alleroi settlement of the Kurchaloev region. Special service operatives noted that the tape shows a woman driving a truck and explained that Chechen fighters are using more women as suicide bombers. - Afghanistan's Interior Minister Yunus Qanooni, who is in Moscow on a visit, announced that his country counts on receiving Russia's help in the fight against narcotics. - General Yuri Baluevsky, the first deputy chief of the General Headquarters of the Russian Armed Forces announced that a new Russian-American agreement on the limitation of strategic offensive weapons could be signed as early as this May. At the same time, he said that, according to Russian experts, the US is starting new military programs and increasing defense spending. - Abkhaz leader Vladislav Ardzinba has sent the Russian government a document asking for the establishment of "associated relations" between Moscow and Sukhumi. - Representatives of the Georgian Ministry of Defense announced that about 200 American military instructors will arrive in Georgia in the second half of March. - The third part of the Civil Code, one establishing inheritance rights, has gone into effect. - Leonid Grach [recently taken off the ballot in the Crimea] has registered his appeal with Ukraine's Supreme Court. He has also collected documents proving that his civil and constitutional rights were violated and sent them to the Commission of the Council of Europe. - A special passport control operation is being carried out in Grozny. About 100 people have been detained. - Vladislav Listiev, a renowned journalist and the first general director of ORT, was killed seven years ago today. The investigation of his murder is still open, but no one has been accused. - The informal meeting of the CIS (Commonwealth of Independent States) presidents has began in Alma-Ata. Russian President Vladimir Putin said that normalization in Afghanistan was discussed and that the presidents of Russia, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan signed a declaration on cooperation in the energy sphere. President Putin stated that he sees no danger or tragedy in the arrival of American military specialists to Georgia. - Russian skiers Larisa Lazutina, Olga Danilova and Natalia Baranova will dispute the decision of the Olympic Committee to exclude them from the games. - Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Kasyanov met with his Finnish counterpart Paavo Lipponen to discuss forestry. Kasyanov promises that Moscow will offer Helsinki terms that will make buying timber in Russia cheaper than anywhere else. - Seven of the 500 "richest people of the world" as published by the Forbes Journal are from Russia: Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Roman Abramovich, Mikhail Fridman, Vladimir Potanin, Vladimir Bogdanov, Vagit Alekperov and Oleg Deripaska. - March 1st is the International Day of the fight against narcotics. According to some statistics, Russia is one of the five countries with the highest rate of drug use. ****** #5 The Russia Journal March 1-7, 2002 Knowledge costs By ALEXANDER KONDORSKY Contrary to what is commonly believed, the Soviet system of education was far from perfect. It was totally free, of course. Education from first to 10th grade was mandatory. It was fairly comprehensive, but offered few or no ideas in the way of what students wanted to do with their future. Universities, academies and other higher educational establishments were also free, but required that students travel directly to their prospective institutions of study and sit through lengthy exams. Again, they failed to make people into professionals, and were perceived by students as a five-year extension of childhood. Many young men enrolled to study in higher education institutions for the sole purpose of dodging military service. Furthermore, CPSU history and Marxism-Leninism constituted at least one-third of class hours at any college, regardless of whether its primary orientation was mathematics, chemistry or foreign literature. It often happened that it was only after having received a diploma and a job placement – guaranteed in the Soviet Union – that a student recognized what a terrible mistake he or she had made. As a result, many graduates of Soviet era higher education institutions chose different professions than the ones they had spent five years studying for. A favorite joke among students at Moscow State University’s Department of Chemistry (where I studied) was: "Our glorious university supplies such important professionals as actors, singers, musicians and even diplomats." Nobody forces people to study or work in this country now. Some two million children under 16 do not go to school for various reasons. Ninety percent of parents whose children do go pay for their education – including, to no small extent, paying bribes. Russian education’s "gray economy" is estimated at between $2 billion and $5 billion a year. On the one hand, fewer people are getting an education, while, on the other, motivations have become genuine. Young people go to study in order to master a certain profession they really like and see as their future occupation. There are still a lot of free educational institutions in Russia, but the private sector has established itself and is rapidly gaining momentum, presenting strong competition for state-run institutions. Private preschools and secondary schools are boasting high standards, but prices averaging $500 a month are obviously unaffordable even for the middle class (in today’s Russia, the "middle class" is defined as families with a per capita income of more than $200 per month and constitutes approximately 20 percent of the population). Foreign schools charge around twice as much: The cost of studying in a boarding school in Malta (room and board included) is around $10,000 per year. Newcastle College (U.K.) charges $12,000 a year. The last decade has seen a boom of "alternative education," i.e., schools you officially have to pay for. However, experienced people say that, even in order to enroll in a free university or academy (except for the "rigorous" science departments, which are not prestigious these days) one has to hire a private tutor ($10,000 per course) or pay a similar amount of money to bribe the enrollment committee’s head. Moderately priced at from $300 to $2,500 per semester in Moscow and from $200 to $1,000 per semester in other cities of Russia, private higher educational institutions have won popularity among representatives of Russia’s middle class. As things stand today, 350,000 people study in commercial higher educational institutions, nine percent of the total number of students in the country. ******* #6 Carnegie Endowment for International Peace meeting report Oligarchic Capitalism in Russia: The Past, Present and Future February 27, 2002 Speaker: David Hoffman, Foreign Editor, The Washington Post On Wednesday, February 27th, David Hoffman spoke at the Carnegie Endowment about his new book, The Oligarchs: Wealth, Power, and the New Russia, which has just been published by Public Affairs Press. Based on extensive interviews and exhaustive research, Hoffman has assembled a remarkable account of the lives of six of Russia's most influential personalities: Boris Berezovsky, Vladimir Gusinsky, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Alexander Smolensky, Anatoly Chubais, and Yury Luzhkov. Before taking up his current post as Foreign Editor of the Washington Post, Hoffman headed the Post's Moscow bureau from 1995 to 2001. For some, Russia's oligarchs are criminals, for others they are capitalists. For David Hoffman, there is no clear-cut answer. What is a capitalist in a country without private property? Likewise, the term, 'criminal' is a misnomer in a system without the rule of law. 'Oligarchic capitalism' may be a controversial term when used to describe the economic system that has developed in Russia, but it is necessary. There is more to being an oligarch, according to Hoffman, than just stealing. Becoming an oligarch requires cunning, ingenuity and, above all, an indefatigable reserve of energy. That is why the common assumption that these oligarchs came from the underworld of the Soviet Union is wrong. The roots of Russia's oligarchs stem primarily from neither organized crime, nor the Soviet nomenklatura, but from entrepreneurs who got their starts taking advantage of the opportunities created by the shortage economy in the waning days of the Soviet Union. The evolution of Russia's oligarchs over the past ten years can be broken down into three distinct phases. The first of these phases coincides with the early days of Gorbachev's reform initiatives, when state control of the economy began to loosen and opportunities for turning an easy profit first appeared. Hoffman illustrated this by recounting how Vladimir Gusinsky got his start. In the late 1980s, Gusinsky worked as a taxi driver in Moscow until he happened upon a surplus of copper wire at a tram station. Seeing an opportunity, he acquired the wire and began producing bracelets. With clever marketing, these bracelets made Gusinsky a fantastic profit. In the second phase of the oligarchs' development, banking became the endeavor of choice. As Hoffman describes, this was the time of 'easy money' when pyramid schemes and ruble-dollar speculation were rampant. It was during this period that the emerging oligarchs discovered the 'time-value' of money. 'Time-value' being the profit oligarchs were able to make by diverting government transfers that passed through their banks to other ventures while stalling for time with IOUs. One of the key players in this scheme was Alexander Smolensky. In the Soviet Union, Smolensky had been a construction foreman who began a small dacha building business on the side during perestroika. By 1991, with his dacha building business booming, Smolensky opened SBS-Agro bank to handle his cash flow. Before long, SBS-Agro emerged as the largest bank in Russia and a large handler of government transfers. In September of 1994, the oligarchs embarked on the third phase of their development with the formation of a private club designed to facilitate the transformation of their wealth into political power. Hoffman succinctly dubbed this phase, 'the grab for power.' The paramount issue was how to limit competition among themselves so that each could focus on accumulating as much wealth as possible. The fruits of this cooperation came in schemes like the loans for shares program, export control manipulation and culminated in the Davos pact that helped to re-elect Yeltsin. It was during this period that the oligarchs began searching for political sponsorship and influence within the Kremlin. The oligarchs also began to diversify their holdings, expanding their holdings to include ownership of natural resource companies and media outlets. Boris Berezovsky was able to use his growing political influence to gain ownership of ORT, Russia's state television, while Gusinsky established NTV. This third period of oligarchic expansion reached its peak in the late 1990s and, to a certain extent, has stabilized since President Putin came to power. Although Putin has declared that the 'oligarchic method is the worst system for Russia,' it is not clear that he knows how to move beyond it. Putin did move assertively to rid Russia of the two oligarchs that were most threatening to him politically - Gusinsky and Berezovsky. However, Hoffman does not believe that this spells the end for Russia's remaining oligarchs, rather he posits that Putin has reached a modus vivendi with the remaining oligarchs that will allow most of them to retain their holdings as long as they do not oppose the Kremlin. At the same time, Putin is attempting to address the systemic flaw that allowed for the initial rise of the oligarchs, the weakness of the state. This weakness was the result of conscious decisions made by early Yeltsin administrations to pursue liberalization and to maximize freedom at the expense of creating a stable rule of law. Looking back on ten years of oligarchic capitalism in Russia, the negative impact it had on Russia's development is obvious. Clearly, this rent-seeking class of oligarchs hurt the market system by failing to establish rules of the game that were stable over time. Yet, this period was not completely devoid of positive developments. Hoffman proposed three ways in which oligarchic capitalism may actually have been good for Russia. For one, the loans for shares program may have resulted in grossly unfair distribution of property, but it did facilitate the expulsion of some of the worst red directors. Wherever oligarchs took over, be it Yukos or Sibneft or Norilsk nickel, improvements in management were made and the focus of the companies were shifted to turning a profit. Oligarchic capitalism was also good for Russian democracy. For all their rapacity, the media wars the oligarchs waged did support a struggling media establishment and provided a spectrum of media outlets. The ends may have been wrong, but the means were of benefit to Russian society. In the end, oligarchic capitalism did bring a form of pluralism to Russia. For better or worse, power and wealth were taken from the state and diffused among independent actors. That diffusion is now an established fact that guarantees Russia cannot easily return to its past. The question for Russia's future is whether these oligarchs will go the way of America's robber barons from a century ago. For David Hoffman, figuring out how to turn a Khodorkovsky into a Rockefeller is key. Whereas the robber barons of America were so successful because they were able to serve as conduits for the immense amounts of capital flowing into the United States, Russia's oligarchs have protected their wealth sending capital abroad. Of course, the robber barons had 60 years of growth in the United States to learn the benefits of philanthropy and legitimacy; the Russian oligarchs have only had 10. The answer to this last question will have to wait for the future. Summary by Karlis Kirsis, Junior Fellow, Russian and Eurasian Program. ******* #7 Putin Backs U.S. on Georgia Effort March 1, 2002 By ROZLANA TAUKINA ALMATY, Kazakstan (AP) - Russian President Vladimir Putin said Friday he would support a U.S.-led anti-terrorist operation in neighboring Georgia despite grumbling from within his government. President Eduard Shevardnadze of Georgia, meanwhile, sought to reassure Putin that Washington would not have a long-term military presence in the region. The two men met on the sidelines of a summit of leaders of 11 former Soviet republics. The U.S. plan to send up to 200 troops to Georgia to train and equip anti-terrorist forces has dominated much of the talks at the two-day summit. Many Russian officials have reacted angrily to the development, seeing it as an invasion of Russia's traditional sphere of influence. But Putin said Moscow would back any efforts to bring the situation in Georgia's Pankisi Gorge under control. The United States believes fighters linked with the al-Qaida terrorist network are hiding in the crime-infested gorge, which borders Russia's breakaway Chechnya. ``If we are talking about a fight against terrorism in the Pankisi Gorge, then we support this fight no matter who is participating in it,'' Putin told journalists after his meeting with Shevardnadze, according to Russia's Interfax news agency. Shevardnadze said Russia need not fear U.S. influence in Georgia. ``There is no American military presence in Georgia, and there will be no such threat,'' he was quoted as saying. ``The Americans themselves don't want this.'' Earlier, Shevardnadze said his country had long relied on U.S. military assistance and that only Washington was capable of helping Georgia deal with the threat in the Pankisi Gorge. ``It has been no secret that the United States helped us form a border guard force. Without their help we would not have done it,'' he said. ``Now they seriously intend to create an anti-terrorist group. No other country was capable of doing that.'' But he added that Georgia intends to cooperate with Russia as well. Georgia, eager to shed Russian influence and reach out to the West, refused Russian offers to help crack down in the Pankisi Gorge, which Moscow has long pointed to as a base for Chechen rebels. Shevardnadze admitted only recently that the gorge could house terrorists and welcomed U.S. offers of help. Putin, who has raised no objection to the U.S. military's operations in Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan in Central Asia, said the presence of U.S. troops in Georgia was ``no tragedy'' for Russia. U.S. and Georgian officials insist that the forces would not be involved in combat in the Pankisi Gorge. The U.S. troops will train four battalions, each comprising about 300 servicemen, said a Western official in Moscow. The United States has already provided military training and equipment under other, more modest bilateral programs. Georgia has about 20 or 30 U.S. military instructors in the country at any given time, Defense Ministry spokesman Miryan Kiknadze said Friday. Kiknadze said wryly that the instructors would not travel to the Pankisi Gorge ``unless they go as tourists.'' Some U.S. instructors were on hand Friday as Georgian forces conducted a training flight from a Tbilisi airfield in a U.S.-donated helicopter. Deputy Defense Minister Gela Bezhuashvili said Georgia would use its eight foreign-provided Iroquois helicopters - six from the United States and two from Turkey - to help transport paratroopers to a base in Telavi, 12 miles from the entrance to the Pankisi Gorge. The gorge is only about 20 miles from Tbilisi, the Georgian capital, but is reached over 150 miles of winding mountain roads. The U.S. forces will train infantry and border guard units for up to 12 months, said the Western official, speaking on condition of anonymity. He said that the program, expected to cost $64 million, would also provide food, communications equipment, light weapons such as pistols and rifles, ammunition and vehicles. U.S. officials hope to start training headquarters units, which are responsible for planning military operations, by mid-March, the official said. ****** #8 eurasianet.org March 1, 2002 DEFINING THE LIMITS OF TERRORISM: THE UNITED STATES, RUSSIA AND CHECHNYA Ian Bremmer US-Russian relations reached new levels of accord following the 11 September attacks. Moscow and Washington shared intelligence and offered military support to the Northern Alliance, and American troops used Central Asian bases with Russian assent. Presidents Bush and Putin proclaimed a new partnership between the two nations, which would encompass political, economic, and strategic objectives. There was much speculation that the war on terror would nullify one of the most consistent public areas of disagreement between the two states: Russia's handling of Chechnya. Eventually, given US strategic priorities in Central Asia and Russia's tactical significance, Russia's fight against Chechen separatists was poised to merge with the US anti-terrorist campaign, and US policy on Chechnya seemed ready for conciliation. A substantive change never came. Before 11 September, US condemnation of Russian policy on the conflict had little implication. Chechnya was secondary to a host of concerns linked to Russia, from missile defense to amending the ABM treaty and expanding NATO to foreign policy in the Middle East. Since the war began in 1994, American policy on Chechnya has been remarkably consistent. Despite periodic overtures to Chechen leadership and criticism of Russia on human rights grounds, Washington has been fundamentally unwilling to challenge Russia's sovereignty in the conflict. Even those seeking to use outward Washington sentiment on Chechnya as a bellwether for US-Russian relations would be disappointed. Chechnya unchanging When President Bush came to office, there were few expectations that this would change. On the one hand, Russian-US relations were expected to worsen. In the September 2000 Cox report, House Republicans detailed how Russian foreign policy had become sharply anti-American, developing ties with such regimes as Iraq and pursuing a strategic partnership with China. On the other hand, Bush's campaign criticized the Clinton-Gore years of cosying up to Russia, as well as meddling in internal affairs. National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice announced a new pragmatism focusing on limited, national security concerns - which did not include Chechnya. In March 2001, a US assistant secretary of state met with representatives of Aslan Maskhadov's government of Chechnya, including Iljas Akhmadov, the self-declared "foreign minister" of Ichkeria. The first encounter between the Bush administration and Chechen rebels was the highest-ranking US meeting ever with a Chechen official. Stopping short of recognizing Chechnya as independent, the Bush administration clearly wanted the Russian government to understand that Washington would meet with whom it liked, regardless of Kremlin opinion. State Department spokesman Charles Hunter asserted that the United States would emphasize the need for a political resolution of the conflict in Chechnya, the renunciation of terrorism and the importance of human rights. Kremlin spokesman Sergei Yastrzhembsky responded quickly: "Russia views such contacts," which can only have "a negative influence on Russian-US ties," as "absolutely unacceptable." The view in the Russian press was no more equivocal, announcing: "USA supports Chechen fighters," and "Russian Federation against contacts between the USA and Chechen separatists." Indeed, as late as 5 September a senior State Department official announced that US Ambassador to Russia Alexander Vershbow would be visiting Chechnya (pending Russian permission), as the US government was "distressed that no progress appeared to have been made in bringing Russian soldiers to justice for alleged atrocities in the republic." The official stated that the visit was aimed at showing "we are genuinely concerned about the path the Russians are on." Despite the American overtures to Chechen leadership, the conflict in Chechnya played second fiddle to ABM revision and missile defense plans, and any other bilateral issues. Chechnya continued to be more a matter allowing periodic criticism of Russia for a poor human rights record, than an issue preventing stable bilateral relations. As such, it joined trade policy and press freedom as issues to which the Bush administration was indifferent. US-Russia relations actually perked up in the summer, with American plans for revising the ABM treaty. The unofficial Slovenia summit between Bush and Putin occurred in June, as preface to the G-7 meeting in July. President Bush's agenda was dominated by the future of the ABM Treaty, missile defense, NATO enlargement, and Russia's accession to the WTO, an agenda that prevailed at the meeting. Chechnya was occasion for some criticism on human rights grounds, but without serious consequence or cost to Russia. Chechnya post-11 September There appeared to be an abrupt change in attitude toward Chechnya among world leaders following 11 September. In a telephone conversation with President Bush two days after the attack, Putin spoke of acting against "a common foe" in Chechnya. German Chancellor Schroeder asserted that "as regards Chechnya, there will and must be a differentiated evaluation." White House spokesman Ari Fleischer called on leaders in Chechnya to "immediately and unconditionally cut all contacts with international terrorist groups such as Osama bin Laden and the al Qaeda organization." Washington appeared to be moving toward solidarity with Russia on the conflict. Kremlin spokesman Yastrzhembsky stated that the American declarations were "a demonstration of a better understanding in the US that the normalization of the situation in Chechnya is directly linked to the struggle against international terrorism." "Silence on Chechnya is the price for this new solidarity," said a senior member of Chancellor Schroeder's party, "and I don't think Germany will be the only country to pay it." This apparent willingness to reevaluate Russian operations in Chechnya intersected with Russian politicians' escalation of rhetoric against the separatists. In Germany following 11 September, Putin stated that "with terrorists, we cannot come to terms, we must leave them no peace," asserting that Islamic militants and terrorists funded the Chechen rebellion against Russia. Even Russian reformist Boris Nemtsov declared that instead of talks with the separatists, "the very term 'negotiations' should be dropped. All talks should be conducted in the language of Kalashnikovs." Bush seemed to concur. "To the extent that there are terrorists in Chechnya - Arab terrorists associated with the al Qaeda organization - I believe they ought to be brought to justice," Bush announced. "And we do believe that there are al Qaeda folks in Chechnya." But 11 September aside, al Qaeda's connection to Chechen separatists was old news. The State Department's April 2000 report "Patterns of Global Terrorism: 1999" stated that Chechen separatists "received some support from foreign mujahidin with extensive links to Middle Eastern, South Asian, and Central Asia Islamist extremists, as well as to Usama Bin Ladin." This link, however, delivered no blanket endorsement to Russia for its operations in the conflict. And even as Putin offered support in the anti-terrorism effort, Fleischer qualified Bush's statements by remonstrating: "The principle of adherence to human rights is always important." US Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage went further, setting out the "new" policy very clearly: "We are trying to disassociate participation in the events in Chechnya of mujahidin… from participation of the Chechens themselves who operate on the territory that is part of the Russian Federation. As for the former category, we enjoy absolute understanding with the Russian authorities. There is a certain discord when the latter category is concerned. We have always thought that a political resolution offers the only way out and will actually be a blessing for Russia." The Bush administration had in fact set a policy that echoed Clinton's precisely: gain Russian cooperation while maintaining steady pressure on Chechnya. With the momentum of personal friendship and military coordination between Bush and Putin leading up to the Crawford Summit in November, human rights qualifications were easy to dismiss. Yet after the Crawford public relations glow faded, it was clear that the summit brought no fundamental shifts in affairs. Thus in January the US State Department announced that recent Russian operations in Chechnya were "a continuation of human rights violations" and an inappropriate "use of overwhelming force against civilian targets." On 23 January, State Department officials met with Ilyas Akhmadov after Washington criticized Russian security sweeps in Chechnya. In parallel with American statements, the British Foreign Office in January met in London with a representative of Aslan Maskhadov, Ahmed Zakayev, prompting formal protest by the Russian Foreign Ministry: "This London meeting with… Ahmed Zakayev is an act against Russian-British cooperation, notably in the fight against international terrorism." In the past, Russian anger at such meetings was as routine and inconsequential as the meetings themselves. Today, such overtures to Chechen leadership, combined with criticism of Russia, risk much more. The United States now demands that other countries endorse the war without a quid pro quo. Simultaneously, Putin's critics are increasingly vocal: renewed Western criticism on Chechnya, they protest, shows that support for the anti-terrorist coalition has delivered Russia nothing. Russia has become increasingly pragmatic about its Middle East policy at the same time that Washington has become value-driven. The United States has withdrawn from the ABM treaty, installed military bases in Central Asia, and pushed for an expanded NATO. Even as Putin closed the Lourdes listening facility in Cuba and announced withdrawal from Cam Ranh Bay in Vietnam, Russia's accelerated membership in the World Trade Organization, and the write-off of Soviet-era debt, remained uncertain. The biggest upcoming problems are in the Middle East - for which Russia expects to be paid. US interests have not moved decisively in this direction. Russia views the revival of criticism on Chechnya as a betrayal of the post-11 September understanding for the Kremlin's fight against terrorism. A Russian Foreign Ministry statement on 25 January made the point: "It is surprising that the US administration, which says it is necessary to fight any manifestation of terrorism all over the world, is actually encouraging Chechen extremists, whose direct connections with Osama Bin Laden and Al-Qa'eda are constantly being proved." Yastrzhembsky's office responded to renewed Western criticism of Russia by stating: "It is impossible to successfully fight Al-Qa'eda in Afghanistan and at the same time actually encourage its actions in Chechnya." But a change still seems implausible. State Department officials are most likely to support a warming of US-Russian relations, but most critical of Russian activities in Chechnya. The US defense establishment, particularly given the international drubbing it has received over the treatment of prisoners in Guantanamo Bay, is most sympathetic to Russia's Chechnya position - but least in favor of friendlier relations. What next? In the new vocabulary of the "war against terror," countries will increasingly be identified as friend or foe based on their acceptance of US policy. Kremlin opposition to widening the war could accordingly result in a volte-face in Washington. Simultaneously, Putin's critics angrily charge that concessions to the West following 11 September have brought few returns. In this polarized climate, the issue of Chechnya could lose its peripheral status…and US criticism on Chechnya could have more bite. Editor's Note: Ian Bremmer is President of Eurasia Group and Senior Fellow & Director of Eurasia Studies at the World Policy Institute. Dr. Bremmer received his PhD in political science from Stanford University and has held positions at the Harriman Institute, Hoover Institution, the EastWest Institute and Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. An expert on US foreign policy, Eurasian states in transition and international political risk, he has published widely on nation- and state-building, and international relations in global emerging markets. Dr. Bremmer's recent publications include New States, New Politics: Building the Post Soviet Nations, and articles and essays in International Affairs, World Policy Journal, Journal of Democracy, The New Republic, The Los Angeles Times, The International Herald Tribune and The New York Times. He is a regular commentator on CNN, CNBC and CBC Newsworld, and a regular contributor for The Financial Times. He lives in New York. ******* #9 Asia Times March 1, 2002 Kremlin puts immigration into police hands By Sergei Blagov MOSCOW - The Kremlin has pledged to create a system of transparent migration institutions designed to protect the rights of legal immigrants, while cracking down on illegal migrants. Yet it remains to be seen whether putting immigration issues under direct police authority will improve the situation for millions of aliens in Russia, legal or illegal. In an abrupt departure from the practice of the previous decade, the Kremlin has made immigration a police issue. On Tuesday, Russian President Vladimir Putin appointed four-star Police General Andrei Chernenko as head of the Interior Ministry's Migration Service and named him a deputy interior minister. Putin ordered Chernenko to improve the situation in the areas of immigration and naturalization. The Interior Ministry was put in charge of immigration and naturalization "so as to restore order, which was lacking recently" Putin was quoted as saying by RIA, the official news agency. Russia is interested in the immigration of qualified human resources, and migration services should help them, Putin said. These people, former Soviet Union nationals and others, should go to those regions that need their skills, he said. On Tuesday Putin signed a decree to improve state migration policies and put the Interior Ministry in charge of dealing with immigrants, refugees and asylum seekers. The decree also ordered the Foreign Ministry to hold talks on migration issues with the former Soviet republics of Armenia, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Tajikistan and Turkmenistan, where most of the immigrants come from. Last year the Russian government revealed a plan to encourage immigration, mainly from other former Soviet states, in order to put to stop to its frightening population decline. In July, the Russian government approved a program for 2002-04 and the subsequent decade, aimed at solving the country's population decline by encouraging immigration. Government officials have argued that Russia needs to attract between 700,000 and 1 million migrants a year in order to sustain its population at its current level. According to official estimates, unless the situation changes, the Russian population will fall by close to half from the current 144 million to only 80 million by 2050. Government officials, including Prime Minister Mikhail Kasyanov, have conceded that in recent years Russia has not had a clearly defined migration policy. However, during the past decade more than 8 million people - of whom nearly 90 percent are Russian-speakers - came to Russia as permanent residents, while 4 million left the country, according to the official statistics. On the other hand, according to the statistics, there are some 800,000 legal immigrants in Russia, while tentative estimates put the figures of the illegal migrant population at anywhere between 6 million and 16 million. Yet many more "Russian-speakers" could arrive in the future. According to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), some 25 million ethnic Russians are currently living outside the Russian Federation. Many of them are returning, though, mainly from Central Asian states. Nonetheless, despite official pledges to encourage immigration, not all of the potential settlers in Russia are particularly welcome. Moreover, the government has made no secret that its immigration policies are likely to be selective. Russia is interested in attracting ethnic Russians of working age or those with financial resources, officials have said. Yet those same officials have conceded that in previous years many Russian-speaking returnees from the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) found it very difficult to find jobs or integrate into the society. Human-rights activists have repeatedly urged a better treatment of the immigrants. Just this week Mikhail Arutyunov, head of Human Rights Defense Assembly, a Moscow-based non-governmental organization (NGO), suggested legalizing the presence of all immigrants and migrants in Russia. Many immigrants just wanted to live with their own people, speak their own language and put their skills to good use reviving Russia. However, without Russian citizenship or local registration many immigrants have no rights, no way to complain to the authorities and nowhere to go and are being mistreated and abused. For instance, the city of Moscow strictly enforces a registration policy for all visitors. The police typically conduct identity checks in places such as markets and public transportation, but they also visit the private homes of refugees. As a result, many migrants choose to isolate themselves indoors to avoid the police altogether. Moreover, Moscow municipal authorities shot down the Russian government's plan to invite more migrants. On Tuesday, Moscow Mayor Yuri Luzhkov argued that without a registration system the capital would be further swamped with illegal migrants. Furthermore, there have been signs that migrants from countries other than those in the CIS are even less welcome in Russia. Notably, governors of Russia's Far Eastern regions have been lobbying the federal government to ban land sales to foreign nationals. The local governors have voiced concerns that Chinese could buy up land in Russia's Far East. The talk about Chinese migrant workers has become a hot political issue in Siberia, underpopulated but rich in natural resources. According to Interior Ministry data, every year more than 500,000 Chinese "tourists" come to Russia, but not all of them return to China, with those who do stay on doing so illegally. Incidentally, on Wednesday the authorities of Russia's Far Eastern Kamchatka region announced a decision to restrict the entry of Chinese migrants and ban those Chinese already there from working as small vendors. Russian politicians have long voiced concern over the alleged influx of illegal aliens from "far abroad". However, officials pledge there will be no massive police crackdown. The Migration Service will not be a militarized agency, Chernenko pledged on Tuesday. However, the service has to know clearly "who comes to Russia and why", he told RIA. Migration processes should be put into "civilized forms", Chernenko stated. Russian cabinet minister Vladimir Zorin described the move as a "good decision, because the role of migration service was set to be increased". After a recent approval of Russia's citizenship law, the Migration Service should be improved and its "stagnation and flaws" must be eliminated, Zorin was quoted as saying by RIA on Wednesday. In October, a civilian agency in charge of immigration, the Russian ministry of national, federation and national affairs, was disbanded. There have been repeated allegations of widespread graft at this ministry. However, the record of the Russian police is not flawless either. In many regions, police enforce the immigration regulations by routinely detaining individuals to check registration documents. However, illegal aliens in Moscow say that police let them go for a mere 600 rubles (US$20). Some said they easily "purchased" Russian driver's licenses from traffic policemen for $350. Therefore, the relevance of Russia's new immigration policy remains a matter of discussion. While the Russian government pledges to improve the treatment of migrants, it's still far from clear whether direct police control over immigration could be helpful. (Inter Press Service) ****** #10 The Russia Journal March 1-7, 2002 On nukes, trials and Russia’s new role The Russia Journal’s Washington, D.C., office received a recent visit from Andrei Piontkovsky, the director of the Center for Strategic Studies (and a columnist for this newspaper) and Pavel Podvig, a researcher at the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology’s Center for Arms Control Studies. They came to the United States to take part in various conferences and met with Eduard Lozansky, The Russia Journal’s U.S. publisher, to discuss the most important issues in U.S.-Russian relations. We are offering excerpts of their conversation. Eduard Lozansky: What brings you to Washington? Andrei Piontkovsky: I was invited by the Pentagon to take part in a conference called "New Challenges in the Informational Age." We discussed new military technologies and post-Cold War strategy in a new century of globalization, computerization and technological change in all areas of life, including in the military. My role, as an expert on nuclear strategy, was to remind the audience that we live in a post-nuclear era and that, though nuclear weapons have lost considerable importance in strategic plans, they continue to have a negative impact on our consciousness. At the conference, we talked about how Russian-U.S. relations during the recent military operations in Afghanistan were essentially those of allies and that this political alliance could transform into a fundamental long-term union. The paradox is that, at the same time, we are still locked into the classic paradigm of mutually assured destruction and have thousands of missiles targeted at each other. EL: MIT Press recently published a book edited by Pavel Podvig, "Russian Strategic Nuclear Forces." Pavel, tell us a bit about the book and what you’re doing here in Washington. Pavel Podvig: The book is a major project we worked on at the Center for Arms Control Studies in Moscow. It was planned as a source of information on Soviet and Russian strategic nuclear forces and the whole organization that supports the Russian nuclear-arms infrastructure. EL: Given that this book deals with a lot of sensitive areas, one can’t help wondering just how open this kind of subject matter can be and whether you ran into problems with the authorities. PP: All our information comes from open sources of information, including Defense Ministry and Atomic Energy Ministry publications and publications by scientists who were involved in creating the Soviet and Russian nuclear complex. I hope, then, that the final picture we have given of the development and current state of Russia’s nuclear arsenal does correspond to reality. EL: But did you have any problems with the authorities? PP: Unfortunately, we did. In 1999, the remaining books we hadn’t been able to distribute yet were seized and confiscated as part of a criminal case launched by the Kaluga FSB. The case didn’t go anywhere, though we never got the books back. At the same time, Igor Sutyagin, one of our authors, was accused of spying, but these accusations aren’t connected at all with his work on the book. EL: I remember a case 20 years ago when John Barron’s book "KGB" came out in the United States. The book gave the names of 200-300 agents and the KGB ordered the whole print run bought up immediately. But the publishers then published a new, much larger run. This kind of thing can give a book a lot of free publicity. PP: We’d be better off without that kind of publicity. We didn’t have access to any secrets, and therefore we don’t have anything confidential to reveal. EL: Are you still having any problems? PP: As far as I know, the case against us for divulging state secrets that led to the confiscation of our books is still open. It was probably halted and could stay in that state a long time. I’d like to point out that, with regard to the accusations against Sutyagin, a court in Kaluga essentially admitted they were without grounds in December. There was never any doubt about this. Now the court has established that the prosecution hasn’t been able to provide any evidence to confirm Sutyagin’s alleged guilt. EL: That’s a good sign; it shows that the court system is becoming more independent in Russia. PP: Unfortunately, that’s not entirely the case. The case against Sutyagin hasn’t been dropped, but has been sent for further investigation. What’s more, he hasn’t been freed from custody. There’s hope that the Supreme Court, which will soon examine the case, will either drop it completely or release Sutyagin. EL: Let’s turn to strategic issues in Russian-U.S. relations. Everyone says they entered a new phase since Sept. 11, but now things are moving backward again. It’s essential now to take concrete steps to ensure that these fine words about partnership and alliance don’t just dissolve in a flood of mutual accusations. Rather, they must become reality, and we must at least try to move in a positive direction. PP: If you look at the history of Russian-U.S. relations, you can use the old analogy of a pendulum. Many of us observing Russia’s reaction to the Sept. 11 events probably had the feeling that, after drawing closer to the West, Russia could move away again and there could be serious consequences. We’re seeing a cooling-off now. I hope you will agree with me that we are now taking a more sober look at our possibilities and prospects for cooperation and at Russia’s role in this. Of course we have to strengthen the positive aspects of our relations and avoid hidden obstacles. The main thing is that both sides have to be realistic about possibilities for cooperation. Russia has to clearly define its position, and the United States also has to ask itself what it wants from Russia and what it can offer in return. Only then will we be able to discuss the concrete steps we can take. AP: As a follow-up to this introduction, I would point out things that on both sides form a foundation for long-term, fundamental cooperation. Let’s begin with the American side. After the Sept. 11 tragedy, Russians were full of sympathy for the United States. In fact, the reaction was even stronger than in countries that are America’s traditional allies. People spontaneously took flowers that very evening to the U.S. Embassy in Moscow, and our president’s reaction was suitable and dignified. Americans understood that they weren’t alone in the world, that they needed to cooperate with other countries. U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell visited a dozen countries in order to create an effective coalition. This marked a retreat from the policy with which the Republicans had come to power – that the United States had to retain the freedom to resolve its own national problems. But Sept. 11 showed that the United States can resolve its own national-security issues only through multilateral cooperation. The brilliant military operation in Afghanistan, for example, was helped in many ways by Russia’s contribution. Russia did more than any of the United States’ NATO allies except Britain. Time and again, we have let slip opportunities for compromise that would have been in Russia’s favor. Now, instead of serious discussions, the American administration is repeating over and over the mantra that "We are friends, and who needs treaties among friends?" But you can’t be for signing agreements in one area and not in another. This approach is not just dogmatic, it’s intellectually unconvincing, and it is having a highly negative impact on current negotiations on strategic-arms cuts. On the Russian side, the political elite is still dealing with its complexes, the painful defeat in the Cold War and Russia’s transition from a global to a regional power. The same people who worked in the Soviet system form today’s Russian political elite. They are used to playing in a super league where there were only two teams – the Soviet Union and the United States. Now they feel as if their team has been demoted. For them, this isn’t just a political issue, it’s a personal and psychological problem. Russia and the United States should be equal partners in their relations. But let’s look at other countries – Germany, France, Japan. Are they equal partners in their relations with the United States? Politically they are, but it’s obvious that the United States plays a greater diplomatic, economic and military role, whether we like it or not. This is why we have to be objective about our place in the world. We are part of the G-8, in which all these powers take part, and if we want to play with them in a single team, we have to accept that the United States is in many respects the team leader. We can follow two roads; either we keep our status in the club and accept being a power on the level of Germany, Britain or France, or we head for confrontation with the United States and lose this status. In short, I’d say that the Russian political elite suffers from a complex of defeat in the Cold War, while the American side suffers from a victor’s complex. EL: Given that the ideas and worldview of today’s elite were formed during the Cold War, it’s all the more important to work with the young people who will take over from them, to ensure they don’t share these same prejudices. AP: Despite the fact that the world has changed greatly over the last 10 years, in Russia, America, Europe and China the thinking has remained unchanged. Just look at the immense inertia of today’s bureaucracies. The defense bureaucracies in the United States and Russia were adapted to resolving specific tasks, as were the Foreign Ministry, State Department and so on. It’s highly unlikely that these organizations will change overnight and begin to look at issues differently. The eternal theme of government and society looks rather paradoxical in Russia at the moment. I can’t help recalling Pushkin’s words that "The only European in Russia is the government." After all, by choosing to be with America and the West on Sept. 11, Putin has broken with the Russian political elite. At the same time, "fundamentalists" in Moscow and Washington are doing everything they can prevent our countries from drawing closer, thus playing into each other’s hands. But, at the same time, we shouldn’t be dependent on the elite. They should also be subject to reform. PP: Coming back to the question about working with young people, there’s no doubt that students of top universities today will look at all these issues through different eyes. And, of course, it’s the task of the Moscow Institution of Physics and Technology to educate this new elite. You can’t just let it run its own course. EL: What role can so-called "people’s diplomacy" play in U.S.-Russian relations? In the United States, the public has a tradition of influencing both foreign and domestic policy. In Russia, we’re not seeing this yet, especially in foreign policy, since it’s seen as the state’s prerogative. It’s therefore very important that the young generation understand that it can and should influence the policies of its country. EL: Who is more interested in a military-political and economic alliance, Russia or the United States? AP: I think this is a dangerous way to phrase the question. In this case, we should be defining a framework for our cooperation rather than talking about who is more interested. Regarding the United States and Russia, we don’t need to just speak hypothetically, but look at the events of recent months. Russia had a very real security problem on the C.I.S.’ southern borders. A year ago, the Russian authorities were seriously discussing the possibility of bombing the Taliban. But with our army in the state it is, it was hardly likely this would have been a successful operation and probably would have caused all kinds of unforeseen problems. But, thanks to a brilliant move by Putin, something completely new and unexpected happened – the entire military, political and economic might of the United States was used to resolve Russia’s security challenge. It was then expected that the Taliban would rush into the Fergana Valley and that the death of Northern Alliance leader [Ahmad Shah] Massoud, who was supported by Russia, and the Sept. 11 attacks weren’t just coincidence. But now we can say that Russia’s security problem in this region has been solved for the coming decade at least. This is a completely new experience for the Russian establishment. If we look at the geopolitical and geo-economic map of the world, we see there are two major areas where Russia’s and the United States’ interests coincide. The first is Northeast Asia, where the Americans are very concerned by China’s increasing role. And we’re interested in a more pragmatic aspect – we don’t want to lose the Far East and Siberia. With today’s demographic and economic trends the way they are, they could fall out of our zone of influence without any military conflict. EL: We represent not the government, but the public. In the United States, there’s a tradition of lobbying. Corporations, NGOs, ethnic groups and others lobby their interests in Congress, including foreign-policy interests. Russia has no experience lobbying in the United States. At any rate, we know what it is we have to do, but lack of money is the obstacle. The next natural question is, "What can we do to lobby the idea of integration with the West in Russia?" You yourselves say that Putin is the only European and that society isn’t ready yet. PP: The situation in America is clear enough. The main problem is that the Russian government hasn’t yet worked out what exactly to lobby and what Russia’s interests in America are. These interests obviously exist. These are not just geopolitical relations but also issues relating to the military-industrial complex, oil and steel industries and many other sectors. We have to learn to talk about all this openly, learn to lobby our interests and find ways of being able to influence American policies. EL: Does Russia have an analytical center that can generate ideas for a Russian-U.S. strategic alliance? PP: We don’t have such a center because society hasn’t yet become entirely conscious of the interest of this issue. But obviously, such a center is needed. There needs to be an injection of new blood. At the Center for Arms Control Studies, we try to analyze the technical side of cooperation. Today, unfortunately, the level of understanding of these issues in Russia is very low. ******* Web page for CDI Russia Weekly: http://www.cdi.org/russia Archive for Johnson's Russia List: http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson With support from the Carnegie Corporation of New York and the MacArthur Foundation A project of the Center for Defense Information (CDI) 1779 Massachusetts Ave. NW Washington DC 20036