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US Department of State
March 18, 2008
Remarks by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice,
Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and
Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov
Secretary Condoleezza Rice
Moscow, Russia
FOREIGN MINISTER LAVROV: (Via interpreter) Good evening, dear colleagues, and
thank you for waiting. We have just finished the very fruitful round of
consultations in a 2+2 format. We were convinced that our presidents were
absolutely right when they instructed us to resume work in this format.
In the center of our meeting today was the subject of how to form the
strategic framework of our bilateral dialogue. This subject was mentioned first
by President Putin and President Bush when they met at Kennebunkport in July
last year. Our strategic dialogue covers all areas of Russia-U.S. relations, and
today we have exchanged views on all areas where we cooperate.
We registered steady progress, especially in the implementation of
initiatives put forward by the two presidents. This has to do with combating
nuclear terrorism, the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, as well as
enhancing the nonproliferation regimes and the use of peaceful nuclear energy on
a safe and on a sustainable basis.
We've also discussed further work and further efforts in economic trade and
especially investment area. We have exchanged views on how to set up new
mechanisms and how to maintain the existing ones.
And we also discussed some contentious issues where we don't -- we haven't
reached agreement as of now. I'm talking primarily about missile defense and
about the future of strategic arms reduction regime, especially following the
lapse of the START I Treaty in December next year.
As far as missile defense is concerned, both Russia and the United States are
interested in addressing these problems in cooperative and equal way within the
framework, which will unite us, the United States, and Europe.
As you know, we have differences about ways and means to move forward, and
today we have discussed this at length. The United States reaffirmed its
willingness to pursue works to set up the third positioning site in Europe.
Russia, while not agreeing with this intention, put forward an alternative, and
this alternative was originally put forward by President Putin at Kennebunkport.
Hopefully, the concerns expressed by us were heard by the United States, and
responding, the United States have declared their intention to finalize work on
the third site. They actually, in response, provided important and useful
proposals which we are to examine. And this was done because the United States
is trying to somehow allay our concerns. Following the examination of proposals
we got today, we agreed to pursue our consultations.
As far as the future of the START treaty is concerned, we have registered our
intent to make this document legally binding, though we realize that much work
needs to be done yet to put flesh, to put substance, in this document. And the
proposals within the framework of this strategic frame will be reported to the
President as soon as we finalize all the details.
On the whole, I’d like to say that this meeting reaffirms, once again, the
readiness of the Russian Federation and the United States to follow the line
outlined by President Bush and Putin aimed at enhancing the practical and ready
cooperation to carry out initiatives and to realize and implement arrangements,
and aimed at concrete and specific professional work to bridge the differences
on those issues where we really have differences.
And it’s important that due to the relations between the two presidents, this
work is done on the basis of mutual respect and mutual taking into account of
interests. We agreed to that. The work we are doing and we will be doing, we
will pursue it, and it’s important to assure continuity in the Russia-U.S.
relations, especially in the period when we see the constitutional transfer of
power.
(In English.) In both countries.
(Interpreter.) In both countries.
SECRETARY RICE: Well, thank you very much, Sergey, for hosting us here. We’ve
indeed had productive discussions today, useful discussions. We have agreed that
there should be a joint strategic framework document for the presidents to be
able to record all of the elements of the U.S.-Russia relationship as we go
forward into the future. We have agreed on the elements that will be included in
that document and made some considerable progress on a number of them. We still
have work to do, but I, for one, have found the discussions useful. I have found
them constructive.
And as to the work that we have yet to do on our strategic relationship, that
is, concerning strategic arms reduction as the presidents put forward in the
Moscow Treaty, the extension of that treaty and to look at the post-START
environment, we had very good discussions, and I’m sure that those will
continue.
As to missile defense, the United States has indeed brought, with Secretary
Gates taking the lead in describing them, a number of proposals, or I should
say, a further elaboration of some of the proposals that we have made before. I
think that we had a constructive and useful – I’m glad that you found those
proposals important and useful. I’m glad that you will take the opportunity to
look at them more closely. We certainly understand that and I look forward to
talking with you when you’ve had a chance to look more closely at those
proposals and when our experts perhaps have had an opportunity to clarify
various elements of those proposals.
We look forward to the presidents realizing their vision, a vision that they
have been pursuing for the last seven years. And we have work to do, but I think
it’s fair to say that U.S.-Russian relations, a complex relationship, is
proceeding in a way that we are able to go forward in various areas of
cooperation. And when we have differences, we can talk about them in an
atmosphere of mutual respect. And so we look forward to further discussions as
we flesh out this joint strategic framework. Thank you.
Anybody else going to speak?
A PARTICIPANT: (Off-mike.)
SECRETARY RICE: All right -- oh, sorry. I’m sorry, sorry, sorry. I forgot.
(In Russian.) (Laughter.)
FOREIGN MINISTER LAVROV: I’ll try to (inaudible). (In Russian.) (Laughter.)
MODERATOR: (Via interpreter.) Dear colleagues and friends, please, questions
to our ministers. And by the tradition, the first question goes to our guest
from Reuters.
SECRETARY RICE: (In Russian.)
QUESTION: This is actually a question about Kosovo. Did you discuss the
latest violence in Kosovo? And Foreign Minister Lavrov, do you think that
international recognition of Kosovo’s independence has stoked up that violence?
And then on a NATO-related note --
SECRETARY RICE: Sue, one question per side.
QUESTION: Have you cut a deal with NATO to help with logistics in
Afghanistan? And Secretary Rice, if you could comment on Kosovo, too.
SECRETARY RICE: All right, Sue.
(Cross-talk.)
SECRETARY RICE: All right. Yes, we have discussed Kosovo, as we have many,
many times in the past. It’s no surprise that we and Russia have not agreed, not
seen eye-to-eye on the implications of the Ahtisaari plan and on the decision of
the United States and many other countries to recognize Kosovo’s decision to
declare its independence.
I think we do agree that all sides should refrain from violence, that all
sides should refrain from any provocation, and we’re sending messages to all
sides appropriately.
FOREIGN MINISTER LAVROV: (Via interpreter) As far as the problem of Kosovo is
concerned, it’s an open secret that on this issue our positions diverge, and we
believe that it’s inadmissible and it’s a gross violation of international law.
I mean the declaration of unilateral independence by Pristina.
We warned -- we had warned that this step would inevitably have negative
consequences, and it happened actually. And it’s very difficult to drive all
those who do not want to live in a legally -- an illegal -- this illegal state
within the framework of this state. We know that within one years, following
1999, the rights of minorities, especially of Serbs, were not provided. I'm
talking here about their rights, security, and their right of movement.
Therefore, we see a very bad scenario when minorities will feel aliens in their
own country.
We are against any -- against violent -- any violence and any violent
solution of any problems. We stand for political decisions and political
settlement in any situation. And we believe that international presence on the
ground, which is mandated by the UN Security Council, should carry out its
mandate, not selectively but comprehensively, and should avoid any unilateral
actions such as the unilateral declaration of independence. International law
should be complied comprehensively in all its elements and not selectively, as
it's convenient to someone.
As far as NATO is concerned and the logistic supports to ISAF, which is
mandated again by the UN Security Council and which operates in Afghanistan, in
response to the request from Brussels, the Ministry of Defense together with the
Russian Foreign Ministry, are now involved in talks and hopefully the result
will soon be known.
And following this subject on NATO, we have (inaudible) proposed to add to
this component, to this bilateral component, the cooperation between NATO and
the Collective Security Treaty Organization, which will increase the efficiency
of this work in terms of tackling drug threats, terrorist threats emanating from
Afghanistan, and hopefully, this issue will be addressed in a constructive way
soon.
MODERATOR: (Via interpreter.) ITAR-TASS, Alexander Konovalov.
QUESTION: (Via interpreter.) My question goes to both Defense Minister and
Defense Secretary. You know about the negative attitude of the Russian
Federation towards plans to deploy missile defense in Europe. How this meeting
actually influenced the positions of both countries?
SECRETARY GATES: We had the opportunity today to elaborate on a number of
confidence-building measures and measures for transparency to provide assurance
to the Russian Republic that our missile sites and radars would not constitute a
threat to Russia.
We've leaned very far forward in this in an effort to provide reassurance
with a number of measures that obviously would require host country approval and
reciprocity. I think both President Putin and our Russian colleagues today found
these ideas useful and important, as they've described, and they will be
studying them further.
DEFENSE MINISTER SERDYUKOV: (Via interpreter.) I would like to add to what
has been said that, in principle, our positions have not changed. We -- today we
have heard a number of measures and we hope that they will be presented to us in
writing. Our experts then will have an opportunity to discuss them and to
understand what stands behind them. And again, we can say that we had a lot of
work to do, but we need to see these proposals, to look at them, to understand
them. And then, following the work at the expert level, we will take a decision
on how to move forward. But in any case, this work should be pursued and -- but
as of now, I can say that our positions have not changed.
MODERATOR: (Via interpreter.) Associated Press, Robert Burns.
QUESTION: Madame Secretary, you mentioned that in regard to the strategic
framework that some elements were agreed to in these meetings. Could you
identify what those elements are? Could you discuss also the outstanding
elements? How long might it take to actually agree on the framework itself, and
could you flesh out a little bit how -- what the intention is? Is this to be
essentially a list of issues to be discussed in the coming months, or is it to
be an enduring sort of agreement, a formal agreement?
And also if I may ask Secretary Gates, you had said going into these meetings
that it was time for the Russians to give some ground on missile defense. You
mentioned a moment ago that you had been leaning far forward on this issue. Did
the Russians, this time, come up with some new ideas? Are you satisfied with
their approach to this? Thank you.
SECRETARY RICE: As to the strategic framework, I think we -- oh, I’m sorry. I
keep forgetting it.
INTERPRETER: (In Russian.)
SECRETARY RICE: As to the strategic framework, we’re agreed on -- essentially
on what elements would go into this strategic framework, because we’ve been
talking about these issues for a significant period of time over the last
several years. In some cases, this document would reflect agreements that we
have already made or that we are trying to further develop; for instance,
concerning global nuclear terrorism, concerning the two presidents’ interests in
developing a way to get assured fuel supply for countries that may wish to have
civil nuclear power without the proliferation risk of enriching and
reprocessing.
We would also expect to address the desire of both sides to have a post-START
framework and to build upon the Moscow Treaty which, after all, expires -- the
limits which expire in a couple of years, as well as to talk about the missile
defense issue. So the elements are there. Some elements are easier to agree on
than others. But I think we have a way forward to put this framework into place.
And the purpose really is, I think, to show the broad nature of the
U.S.-Russia relationship, which really is a very broad relationship -- the two
presidents have done a lot of work over the last several years -- and to use
this document to lay a foundation for the future of U.S.-Russian relations --
not a treaty or anything of that kind, but it’s just very important to recognize
in some way the breadth of this relationship and some of the progress that has
been made and some of the issues that remain to be resolved.
SECRETARY GATES: In terms of the Russians’ reactions to the
confidence-building measures and transparency measures we've put forward, I
would say that they listened very carefully. President Putin took extensive
notes last night, and obviously there was a lot done during the day today.
That said, the full range of what we have -- what we are prepared to offer
and discuss with the Russians really is just now, after the day’s talks, being
put down on paper, and so the Russian side will not receive this in writing
until this evening. You have already heard the Foreign Minister positively
characterize the ideas, but obviously now they feel the need to study them in
greater detail. But I would expect and hope that we would hear back reasonably
quickly.
FOREIGN MINISTER LAVROV: (Via interpreter.) I would like to say a couple of
words so that the journalists realize better where we are in terms of missile
defense relating to the question of missile -- concerning missile defense. The
United States has a proposal elaborated by the United States. The United States
has put forward a plan to set up the third site in Europe. For us, this site
creates risk, and President Putin, instead, proposed an alternative, which will
bring together the United States, Russia and European countries and which will
create no risks at all.
(In English.) To anyone.
Anyway, the United States has made a firm decision to go ahead with their
project, but we assessed this and they assessed this. And while not agreeing
with us on substantial issues, they recognized that there exists these -- that
we have these concerns and they put forward proposals aimed at allaying or aimed
at making these concerns milder.
The best way to address our concerns, of course, will be not to set up this
third positioning site at all, but the United States are going to proceed and
therefore, the proposals which hopefully we will get this evening and will be,
as I have already mentioned, important and useful to allay our concerns.
Afterwards -- and after we examine them and after we look into them, hopefully
we will make a chance to reaffirm this position.
MODERATOR: (Via interpreter.) And the last question goes to -- from
Rossiyskaya Gazeta (inaudible).
QUESTION: (Via interpreter.) I have two questions, one to Secretary Gates and
the other to Secretary Rice.
SECRETARY RICE: (In Russian.) (Laughter.)
QUESTION: (Via interpreter.) My first question goes to Secretary Gates. It’s
an open secret to everyone that the economy of the United States is living
through a, well, hard period. And given those big -- those biggest expenses,
will there be enough money for these projects in the Czech Republic, Poland and
Turkey?
And my second question goes to Secretary Rice. Is it right that the oral
arrangements you bring -- or you brought with you last time differed from the --
from what you presented later in writing?
SECRETARY GATES: I can assure you that America's defense needs will be
adequately funded by the Congress.
SECRETARY RICE: He's so adequately funded for defense that he's been
advocating for adequate funding for the State Department and I fully appreciate
it.
As for the question concerning the proposals that we made the last time, the
last time we came with a set of conceptual ideas. We went back. Those ideas were
indeed forwarded to the Russians in a paper. I do think, frankly, there was some
lack of clarity about the relationship between what we had said here and what
was in the paper. Perhaps when one moves from a conceptual level to a level of
detail, sometimes things get lost in translation. Let me put it that way.
The Secretary -- Secretary Gates this time was able to clarify and enrich the
discussion of what we had put forward with the Russians over the last several
months since our visit here in October. And what our Russian colleagues have now
asked us to do is to write down in a more formal way the full range of measures
that the United States is proposing so that they may study them, so that
questions can be asked of experts, and we will try to do that this evening and
get that paper to our colleagues.
FOREIGN MINISTER LAVROV: (Via interpreter.) Well, I'd like to add a couple of
words. What happened in October happened in October. We discussed all that and
that's it with it. It's March and it's a more optimistic month, and as the
Russian proverb says, who recalls the old thing, his eye will get off. So this
-- the major thing is that we get this proposal in the same (inaudible) and,
hopefully, that we can work constructively to achieve results.
This time we will -- we haven't been lost in translation.
MODERATOR: (Via interpreter.) Dear colleagues, thank you.
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