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August 15, 2008
[Medvedev] Joint Press Conference with Federal
Chancellor Angela Merkel
Bocharov Ruchei, Sochi
DMITRY MEDVEDEV: Ladies and Gentlemen,
First of all, I would like to express my satisfaction with the meeting I just
had with the Federal Chancellor. This was our fourth meeting. Of course we
discussed the most current events and above all the tragic consequences of
Georgia's aggression against peacekeepers and civilians in South Ossetia.
You know that these acts have caused numerous victims and led to floods of
refugees, large-scale damage and other serious consequences that can only be
called a humanitarian disaster.
The Georgian leadership bears full responsibility for these illegal and
ruthless actions. All of the many diplomatic efforts and talks in different
formats, successful and unsuccessful, over these last 15 years were undone in a
matter of hours by these acts of force. It gives the impression that Mr
Saakashvili was simply sick and tired of diplomatic efforts and decided to solve
all the problems and remove the obstacle of the Ossetians in one clean blow.
This is why the operation was named accordingly "Clear Field".
As you know, we responded with a number of measures to put an end to these
actions. Russia remains the one force in this situation that can protect the
civilian population and the Russian citizens living there. We took appropriate
measures based on our right to self-defence in accordance with Article 51 of the
UN Charter.
Security has been restored and Russia's peacekeepers remain the guarantors of
this security in the Caucasus. Unfortunately, there are still a number of
difficulties, but nonetheless, we and President of France Nicholas Sarkozy
agreed on a set of basic principles for resolving the conflict and we think they
provide a necessary and sufficient base for achieving a settlement. It now
remains for Georgia to give its agreement to these principles, which must then
be enforced under guarantees from Russia, the Council of Europe and the OSCE. I
hope that this will all happen very soon. We are waiting for confirmation.
We also talked about the need for an objective evaluation by the
international community of the tragic events that took place in South Ossetia. I
stress that this must be an objective and not one-sided evaluation, not biased
one way or the other.
But even more important now is to provide full support for the people
affected by this humanitarian disaster. We need to ensure their security, give
them medical assistance and rebuild the infrastructure that was destroyed. This
is the task we need to concentrate on now.
I said yesterday and repeat now that peace in the region needs to be restored
and guaranteed so that no one is tempted by such idiotic ideas again. I think
that this is the Russian Federation's primary task today.
Mrs Merkel and I will continue our discussions of various issues of course,
but the start of our talks was devoted naturally enough to these tragic events.
ANGELA MERKEL (retranslated from Russian): I would like to thank you once
again for the invitation to come here to Sochi. We have not yet been able to
talk about all the topics that we originally wanted to discuss, for obvious
reasons, and of course the international situation and the situation here in the
region have been the main subjects in our conversation. We talked with each
other very openly in conveying our views of the situation. And I said very
clearly that of course it is always a great pity when there are victims and here
unfortunately there are many, many victims, but that even when you take into
account Russia’s description of the situation, I would still say that Russia’s
reaction has been disproportionate, and that the presence of military forces in
the very heart of Georgian territory is wrong. Therefore the immediate
implementation of the six principles agreed to is urgently needed so that
Russian troops will withdraw from the territory of Georgia. I hope that there
will be progress and that all parties sign the plan.
I am pleased to hear that the Russian side considers this plan a good basis
for a settlement. I thought it was a good idea that Nicolas Sarkozy, in his role
as President of the European Union, go to Moscow and Tbilisi precisely to
organise and develop such a framework. This does not mean that the conflict is
resolved but at least it represents progress.
I think that now we need to fix our eyes on the future. And in this regard it
is very important that the issues Mr Medvedev mentioned were added to the
statement. First and foremost is the question of a withdrawal to the lines
agreed to in the plan.
The second question concerns humanitarian assistance. I clearly expressed the
hope that we will deliver humanitarian aid to Georgia as well as to South
Ossetia. And in South Ossetia, irrespective of the nationality of people,
Ossetian or Georgian, it is very important that international organisations be
able to distribute humanitarian aid. And I think that this plan – I hope I’m
right -- can be implemented as soon as possible.
Then we talked about the need for more international observers in the region.
The Russian side also sees this as a possibility. I think it is important that
those peacekeeping forces there under the auspices of the OSCE be able to
observe the situation and to establish an objective and informed view of the
situation.
The third point is that of course we have to discuss how the situation will
evolve from a political standpoint, because for a long time, more than a decade
and a half, we have not been able to find at the political level a political
solution to this conflict, and we cannot wait another 15 years to find a stable
solution. The starting point should be the territorial integrity of Georgia.
I think it is right that in difficult times we speak openly with each other
and stay in constant contact with each other. This is the principle of the
French presidency, and it is also my principle. Then we need to discuss
different views step by step, and move forward in that way.
QUESTION: Looking beyond the horizon a little, among the six principles
President Medvedev and President Sarkozy discussed was the principle of holding
international discussions on the future status of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
Mrs Merkel just said that Georgia's territorial integrity is an unshakeable
principle as far as Berlin is concerned. The Russian authorities say that they
will listen to the will of the Abkhazian and Ossetian peoples, who have already
expressed their will in referendums. They expressed a desire to secede and form
an independent state or join the Russian Federation.
My question for both leaders is how do you intend to reconcile these
contradictory positions?
DMITRY MEDVEDEV: There are contradictions that cannot be reconciled but that
can be resolved. The whole reason they are contradictions is that the different
positions often cannot be reconciled. If there was another way out of this
situation it would probably be good to use it, with regard to the question of
status I mean. Nobody is rejecting the principle of territorial integrity as one
of the fundamental principles of international law. The question is one of a
specific situation in a specific country. This is where the main difficulties
start.
Unfortunately, after what has happened, the Ossetians and Abkhazians are
unlikely to be able to live in one state with the Georgians, or some kind of
titanic efforts would have to be made to resolve the conflict. But as I said at
my meeting with Mr Sarkozy and also during my meeting yesterday with the leaders
of the unrecognised territorial entities - South Ossetia and Abkhazia, and again
during my meeting with Mrs Merkel, as the guarantor of security in the Caucasus
and in the region, Russia will accept the decision that reflects the clear will
of these two Caucasian peoples and will use it as the guideline in its foreign
policy and guarantee its enforcement in South Ossetia and Abkhazia in accordance
with the peacekeeping mandate that we have. This is my view with regard to this
situation.
ANGELA MERKEL: First and foremost we need to find a format in which such
negotiations can take place.
Germany supported the creation of a group of friends of the UN
Secretary-General, designed to start negotiations, particularly with Abkhazia.
Foreign Affairs Minister Steinmeier began this work during the summer. Just how
these formats should be designed needs to be discussed. They must be constituted
in accordance with international law. The main postulate here should remain the
territorial integrity of Georgia.
As far as the many conflicts around the world are concerned, we don’t think
that there is a single answer to all these different problems, but it is
important that the rights and security of all these people be guaranteed. We
have to negotiate the extent to which we can talk about different sorts of
autonomy or other possibilities. And, as I have already said, not every nation
in the world that wants to secede from a state is capable of independent
existence as a state, as Russia knows perfectly well. If it were so, there would
be a lot of problems in the world. Therefore, each case in the world should be
considered in isolation.
If there is a lesson to draw from this situation it is that we must not
simply put these problems into cold storage again, but rather try to resolve
frozen conflicts, as we have called them for a long time now, as quickly and as
efficiently as possible.
QUESTION: Mrs Federal Chancellor, I have two questions.
First, before you set off on this visit, there was talk that Russia would
present you with proof of acts of brutality. Was such proof given?
Second, agreements on NATO membership were reached at the Bucharest summit.
Do these agreements still hold today?
ANGELA MERKEL: The President of Russia has conveyed his views to me. He said
that in the course of this conflict really terrible, cruel things occurred. He
didn’t have to prove this to me. For both sides in such conflicts it is always
dreadful and terrible, and that is why we talked about the need for humanitarian
assistance.
In doing so, we must not lose sight of the fact that there are thousands and
thousands of refugees, people who no longer have a home, for whom everything has
been destroyed and who have been forced to flee. This should be the priority in
our negotiations. And I think there’s no need for an assessment of specific
details or the presentation of some kind of evidence.
Second: we did have very intense discussions about the implementation of the
six principles programme. I think that for people who suffered there it is most
important that we establish some sort of reasonable base with this plan.
The second question: as far as Bucharest and the agreements reached there are
concerned, they continue to operate. I see no reason to reconsider them. We said
then that Georgia and Ukraine are going to become members of NATO. We said that
preparation for membership is the next step. We said that they will be members
of NATO, if they so wish. And this postulate remains valid.
DMITRY MEDVEDEV: I would just like to add a couple of words.
We do not need to prove anything, but regarding the information you refer to
I have simply not had time to pass it on yet. The photographs and the disks that
contain all the information on the humanitarian problems, the destruction and
the killings and wounding of civilians will be passed on.
QUESTION: My first question is for the Russian President.
Dmitry Anatolyevich, is Russia open to the possibility of peacekeepers or
international forces from the West being deployed in the conflict zone?
I also have a question for the Federal Chancellor.
Mrs Federal Chancellor, could you comment on the fact that when the Georgian
President declared war, he did so with the European Union flag in the
background.
Also, do you think there is any truth in the Georgian President's statement
that Russian troops destroyed Tskhinvali, remembering that Russian peacekeepers
are stationed there and Russian citizens make up 80 percent of the town's
population?
Thank you.
DMITRY MEDVEDEV: As far as peacekeepers are concerned, of course we are not
opposed to having international peacekeepers there. It is not our position on
the matter that is the issue. We are carrying out our share of the
responsibilities for ensuring security in this very complex region. But the
issue is that the Ossetians and Abkhazians themselves trust only the Russian
peacekeepers because the events of the last 15 years have shown them that the
Russian peacekeepers are the only force able to protect their interests and
often their very lives. This is why they see the Russian troops as the only
guarantee of their security, and this is something that also has to be taken
into account.
I can give you an example from a recent and also very complicated case, that
of Kosovo, when Kosovo rejected the participation of peacekeepers under UN
mandate and asked for peacekeeper units formed on the basis of a special
European Union mandate, and this request of theirs was met. I do not intend to
go into an assessment of the situation there, but at the very least, people who
face oppression, pressure or genocide have to feel comfortable with the force
charged with bringing peace and tranquillity to country.
We will therefore discuss these questions of course, and we have already
begun discussing the presence of international observers in one form or another,
including through taking the additional security measures provided for in the
fifth principle agreed on with the French President. This process will continue,
but I wanted to draw your attention to the fact that in this situation the
position of the people affected, the people who have been subjected to violence
and aggression, remains paramount.
ANGELA MERKEL: On this subject, I would only say clearly that of course we
cannot send a peacekeeping force that has not been accepted by all the parties
concerned. We sent a KFOR mission [a UN-mandated NATO-led peacekeeping force] to
Kosovo and police forces. They are there now, and the European side wanted to
provide them. Prior to that there were UN forces. This will need to be
negotiated here, but from a political standpoint we have said that the European
Union is open to such negotiations. And so we will have to wait a bit. All this
is important to understand when trying to answer the question about whether in
the near future we will energetically send international observers along with
peacekeeping forces, if that is the right term. In addition, we also talked
about the need for an international component. I think it would be useful to all
parties, because international public opinion is of course monitoring the
situation, and this would give us a higher level of objectivity.
With regard to the German side, I would like to say - and we talked about
this at the Council of Foreign Ministers of the European Union - that this is
not the time to try to identify precise causes and or to analyse how things
evolved the way they did. The President of Russia has given me the Russian
perspective, and now the time has come to draw the appropriate conclusions. For
my part, I said that, even given the description of how this situation developed
… I considered and I still consider Russia’s response to have been
disproportionate. Therefore I very strongly insist that the six principles plan
be implemented as extensively as possible, in order to ensure that Russian
troops withdraw from Georgian territory, and I have made this clear. We refer to
it as the ‘heart of Georgian territory’ so that they will leave it. This is one
of the principles that must now be implemented as soon as possible. I think that
in such complex conflicts the blame is very rarely all on one side. And I say
now to both sides that it only very rarely that one side is not to blame at all.
Now we need to move on.
QUESTION: My question is for you, Mr President.
Most people in the West do not share Russia's interpretation of this
conflict. Does it worry you that this might lead to a long-term worsening in
Russia's relations with the USA and the European Union?
Mrs Federal Chancellor, are you worried that this conflict and the way it has
developed make a rethinking of Russian-German and even Russian-European
relations necessary?
And a question for both leaders: did you discuss this subject?
Thank you.
DMITRY MEDVEDEV: All we did was discuss the problems and consequences arising
from this conflict.
As far as our interpretation goes, I can put everything in very clear terms.
Of course we do not want any worsening in relations, either long term or short
term. On the contrary, we want full-fledged development of relations with the
European Union and with individual European countries, and also with the United
States of America and other countries.
We live in a very fragile world and it is very clear that a global worsening
in the international situation only plays into the hands of the most reactionary
forces. You would have to be blind and unaware of what is going on not to
understand this. Our position is that common sense must prevail and that our
partners need to be very clear and aware about what has happened and what the
consequences are, and not look for a single guilty party and all the more so not
lay all the blame on the Russian Federation, but do everything possible to
minimise the consequences of these tragic events.
For our part, we are ready to work with everyone openly and in goodwill, and
we do not want to damage our relations with anyone. But at the same time, we
will continue to carry out our peacekeeping mandate, and if anyone continues to
attack our citizens and our peacekeepers, of course we will respond just as we
responded on this occasion, and there should be no doubt about this.
ANGELA MERKEL: Of course, events have changed our agenda. Of course there’s
no question about that. Today we would have talked about entirely different
topics, if it were not for this conflict. The same thing is happening in the
European Union, and it will be the same in regard to NATO and with other bodies.
That means that finding a solution to this conflict has to be the subject of our
discussions. I’ve made some critical remarks on this subject. But that does not
mean that on the basis of the general principles, which of course must continue
to work, we will not go on to converse about other things or to discuss other
topics. Our countries are too interdependent on each other for that. All I want
to say now is that it is important that the principles be respected. I talked
about territorial integrity, and I can just as well talk about the principle
that in dealing with Georgia one is dealing with a chosen, elected leadership,
with whom you have to negotiate, with whom you need to stay in contact even in
the most difficult situations and times. In addition to that, there’s the fact
that we must respect decisions taken by countries that are free and that, again
with regard to the possibility of joining NATO, can make whatever decisions they
like about whom they want to cooperate with. If these are the principles and we
make sure that they are honoured, then we can obviously talk about more than
this conflict, and we will talk about other topics, putting them on the agenda
in the same way that we have done before. And it is in this spirit that we
should cooperate with each other, based on common principles and striving to
resolve all issues relating to both our sides.
For example, I think that the European Union with the visit by Nicolas
Sarkozy and the development of this six principle plan, taking into account what
the U.S. Secretary of State also contributes today in her visit to Tbilisi - all
this suggests that our cooperation will continue.
QUESTION: Concerning relations between Russia and the West, I have a question
for both leaders. Yesterday evening, the USA and Poland signed an agreement on
deploying elements of the US missile defence system on Polish territory, plus,
if I am correct, air defence missiles will also be deployed in addition.
My question for Dmitry Anatolyevich is what is your reaction to this? Russian
military officials said today that this shows that the missile defence plans are
directed against Russia and not against Iran. Do you share this point of view?
And I put the same question to the Federal Chancellor. Do you think that the
signature of this agreement could change the situation?
Thank you.
DMITRY MEDVEDEV: The Russian military officials are right. This decision
demonstrates very clearly what we have been talking about of late, that the
deployment of new missile defence systems in Europe is directed against the
Russian Federation. The moment has been chosen accordingly. The stories about
this all being to deter rogue states do not hold water.
What has taken place is clear and there is nothing I can comment on. This is
sad for Europe, sad for everyone living on this densely populated continent, but
it is not dramatic. We will continue to work on this matter and we are ready to
discuss all of these issues with everyone involved. But the latest decision has
done nothing to calm the situation, of course.
ANGELA MERKEL: In my view, this agreement is not aimed at Russia but is
rather an example of anti-ballistic missile defence, of a system of
anti-ballistic missile defence that will protect against countries such as Iran.
We will continue to advocate that these negotiations should not be interrupted
and convince Russia of this and convince it to engage in this process as well.
We made progress on this subject at one point. When I think about our meeting
in Heiligendamm last year, we talked about how to include Russia in this,
because our analysis of threats emanating from Iran and other countries and
Russia’s analysis were so similar, in the sense that we all agree on these
things. And what has just happened should not prevent us from taking these
negotiations further. I am therefore optimistic that we will continue our
negotiations in the near future.
DMITRY MEDVEDEV: I would just like to add a couple of words, not continuing
on what the Federal Chancellor said but rather addressed to all the journalists
present today.
You know that the tragedy that took place had us all glued to the TV screens
and to other media sources and the Internet. I, like any ordinary person, also
got some of my information from the media, as well as from the channels I have
as President. The information picture that emerged leads me to ask three
questions I would like you to reflect on.
First, who started the military operations in South Ossetia? Was it the
peacekeepers, the Russian troops, or was it the Georgian army? If you look at
what is shown on television the answer is not clear, but we know the answer to
this question.
Second, did the international community want this aggression to have an
outcome that would have meant the end to the existence of Ossetians in South
Ossetia and Abkhazians in Abkhazia? Yes or no?
And third, do we consider what happened to be a humanitarian disaster, yes or
no? Or is this solely the affair of the Ossetians themselves and the Russian
Federation?
If we answer these questions for ourselves a lot will become much clearer.
Thank you.
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