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[excerpt re Russia]
US White House
June 13, 2008
Interview of [President Bush] by Ned Temko of the
Observer Villa Taverna
Rome, Italy
Q And one of the areas of Europe where liberty has been sort of partly
transformative is clearly post-Soviet Russia. And you've had very strong
personal relationship with Putin. First of all, is your assessment that Putin is
still basically in charge? And how important is your personal relationship?
THE PRESIDENT: Let me start with the second. My personal relationship is
important because we had differences. And therefore if you work hard to
establish a relationship of trust, that you're then able to air out your
differences in a way that's respectful of the other person, and at the same time
find common ground.
One area of common ground that has really not been given much attention is
Iran. I agreed that the Iranians should have -- they have the sovereign right to
have civilian nuclear power. Putin obviously believes they should, witness the
cooperation on Bashir. We both agree, however, that they can't be trusted with
the knowledge that comes from enrichment. And therefore, Putin suggested to the
Iranians that Russia provide the enriched uranium necessary to run their fuel
plant. I agree. And as I said yesterday in the press conference, that this
really undermines the argument for the Iranians because if, in fact, their only
focus is on civilian nuclear power, they readily accept the plant, the fuel and
the offer of Russia to pick up the spent fuel.
So there are areas where we cooperate and there are areas where we have
disagreements. And yet I believe the best foreign policy for the American
President is to be in a position to earn the trust of those where there's not a
hundred percent agreement. And by the way, any American President will find out
there's never a hundred percent agreement -- even with your closest friends.
Q I'm sure that's right. (Laughter.)
THE PRESIDENT: And so the first part of the question -- yes, look, I think
it's -- I went to Sochi. Putin introduced me to Medvedev. And he -- in not only
his body language, but in his words to me that Medvedev is going to be in charge
of foreign policy. And their relationship is being sorted out and the world is
fascinated to watch what's happening. I think it's -- I'll take him for his word
and then we'll watch and see what happens.
Q How concerned are you about issues like human rights in Russia? And what
degree of influence does any outside country -- even the United States or --
THE PRESIDENT: Oh, I think it matters. I think it matters when people speak
up, whether it be in Russia or China or anywhere else. In Russia's case, there
was -- early on in my presidency I remember talking to Vladimir Putin on behalf
of the Catholic Church, where there were concerns about the Church being able to
have a robust presence.
Vladimir Putin is sensitive to religious issues. He's a religious guy himself
-- he has a beautiful little orthodox church on his own property, which he
proudly showed me and Laura one time. He made sure I met some of the Jewish
community when I was there in Russia. And so he is sensitive to religious
liberty, more so than some other countries.
Q And is western leverage reduced by the fact that Russia has a good chunk of
the world's natural energy resources?
THE PRESIDENT: I think it certainly changes the equation on a lot of foreign
policy. It's interesting to watch the European Union wrestle with energy
independence. Early in my presidency nations were saying they were going to get
rid of nuclear power. And I questioned them quietly, on an individual basis,
about that decision, because if you get rid of one source of power you have to
find another source of power -- unless, of course, you don't care whether your
economy grows. Most leaders end up caring whether their economy grows.
So I predicted to some of these leaders that there would be an issue in terms
of having a sole source supplier, particularly of natural gas from Russia. And
now there's great consternation within the EU. And my only point is, is that
this energy issue complicates a lot of foreign policy issues -- including that
between the EU and Russia, as well as that between the United States and
Venezuela, or the world and Iran. And the question is, what do you do about it?
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