#9
The Economist (UK)
July 21-27, 2001
In search of an identity
Russia is still struggling to come to terms with its new status as an ex-superpower
THERE are three elements in Russia's approach to the outside world. The
first is to seek good ties with the West. The Russians have said they are
looking for partnership with Western Europe, and for a businesslike
relationship with America. To that end, the second element—playing
geopolitical games aimed at undermining American world “hegemony”—seems
less than helpful. The third is to consolidate Russian influence in the
former Soviet empire, especially in the weak, unstable and quarrelsome bits.
The results have been mixed. Trade ties with Europe have become
increasingly solid, especially in natural-gas exports. Russia would like to
join the World Trade Organisation, which will give the stronger Russian
companies a better chance in world markets but let in more competition. On
the other hand, inward foreign investment has been disappointing. The total
since 1991 amounts to only $22 billion—half the figure for Poland.
The big gap is political. Western attitudes to Russia's behaviour in
Chechnya range from concern to horror. The war to restore Russian rule
there, prompted by a series of terrorist attacks in August and September
1999, shows no sign of ending. Almost all the top rebel commanders are
still at large. Russia's puppet government is on the verge of collapse. The
fighting has killed or maimed tens of thousands of civilians; hundreds of
thousands have fled their homes. There have been atrocities on both sides,
but the balance of blame is overwhelmingly on the much more powerful
Russian side. The Kremlin brusquely brushes aside complaints about the many
well-documented cases of torture, arbitrary executions, abductions and
other outrages that breach numerous international agreements signed by
Russia, as well as its own laws and constitution. Critics see Russia's
behaviour towards the Chechens as symptomatic of its own decayed and
lawless system of government.
As democracy in Russia shrivels, it moves further away from western
standards. Despite official insistence that the press is free and human
rights are respected, there are legitimate doubts. Some foreigners even
question whether Russia should continue to be a member of the G8, alongside
the world's seven big advanced democracies.
Fiddle, fumble
The geopolitical games are not particularly successful either. Mr Putin
jets around the world to visit former Soviet allies such as Cuba, Libya,
Vietnam and North Korea, and cultivates Iran and Iraq. But friendships with
poor pariah countries serve little political or economic purpose. Policy
towards China and India has been rather more productive. Arms sales are
flourishing. Russia has also joined up with five other countries worried by
Islamic terrorism (China, Kirgizstan, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan and
Uzbekistan) in a security grouping called the “Shanghai six”, but to little
effect so far.
Russia's patent military weakness (barring possession of unusable weapons
of mass destruction, and the ability to sell advanced arms abroad) makes
any attempt to flex its withered superpower muscles pointless. Plans
announced last year to restore a blue-water navy seem to have been shelved.
Russia seems to be giving up its last big overseas naval base, in Vietnam.
Attempts to stand up to the West on issues such as Nato enlargement tend to
follow a sterile pattern of warnings, tantrums, sulks and grudging
acceptance.
The success story, of sorts, is in the inner part of the former Soviet
empire, where Russian clout is steadily growing. Fears of Islamic terrorist
insurgency have made the countries of Central Asia much more receptive to
offers of Russian military help. The other successful policy has been the
use of gas debts to gain equity stakes in important industries. Russian
influence in Ukraine has risen sharply after a series of political hiccups
there in the past year. Viktor Chernomyrdin, the new Russian ambassador to
Ukraine (and a former prime minister), is referred to, only half-jokingly,
as Mr Putin's viceroy in Kiev.
So where does Russia go from here? The first question is what price Mr
Putin is willing to pay to be friends with Europe. Dmitri Trenin, a retired
colonel turned pundit, says Russia should accept that its superpower days
are over, and try to join countries such as Britain, France and Germany to
become another big post-imperial member of the European club. But so far,
Mr Putin seems more interested in Europe as a source of modernisation and
stability for Russia than as a club with its own demanding rules about
democracy and the rule of law.
The second question is about the clash between Russia's economic weakness
and its lingering desire to regain great-power status. Russia's western
neighbours hope that, when push comes to shove, Mr Putin's craving for
respectability will prevent him from doing anything too unpleasant. They do
not have much other leverage: thanks to the oil boom, Russia is no longer
dependent on foreign loans to stay afloat.
In the short and medium term, the likeliest outcome is that the economy
will grow just enough to keep the country from collapsing, postponing any
crunch. If so, Russia will stagger on much as it is now: a large, poor,
mostly backward place with a maddening habit of wasting its potential. If
the decline worsens, though, all the old fears about Russia that haunted
the 1990s—disintegration, unrest, loose nukes, disease and pollution—will
re-emerge, with even fewer hopes of recovery.
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#10
The Russia Journal
www.russiajournal.com
July 20-26, 2001
‘Russia bigger threat than N. Korea’
Ex-CIA Director Turner’s inside look at NMD, U.S.-Russia relations
By YURY SIGOV
Moscow and Washington have long been in the frontline of ideological and
military confrontation, and since the collapse of the Soviet Union this
rivalry has only intensified.
With debate raging on National Missile Defense (NMD), more observers than
ever are touting their views on the future of U.S.-Russian relations, and
whether Presidents Vladimir Putin and George W. Bush will build on recent
cooperation or force the two powers into further division.
One observer with the advantage of having seen things from the inside,
however, is retired Adm. Stansfield Turner, the CIA’s director from
1977-81, during President Jimmy Carter’s administration.
Known for his controversial attempt to gain the upper hand over the Soviet
spying system by focusing on "technical collection systems" that include
satellites rather than human operatives, Turner started his career in the
U.S. Navy, where he served as commander of the U.S. 2nd Fleet and commanded
NATO’s southern flank.
Turner is known for his frank speaking on Russia and, in this two-part
interview, the former Cold War warrior talks about missile defense, Putin
and Bush, NATO expansion and the future of relations between the two
countries.
The Russia Journal:
While we were adversaries in the past, under Yeltsin
and Clinton we were almost partners. Now, however, America is working on a
missile defense system, completely destroying all previous agreements and
pacts on strategic armaments. America says there is a threat from North
Korea and other rogue states, but Russia doesn’t buy this argument. Who are
you trying to defend against? Who is threatening America?
Adm. Stansfield Turner:
Russia was invaded in 1812 by Napoleon, and again
in 1941 by the Germans. Mongols and Tartars invaded much earlier. Our
country has never been invaded. Two big oceans were our missile defense
system for 200 years.
We are very concerned today and feel vulnerable, so we believe there is a
threat to us. Similarly, Europeans understand vulnerability. All Europe has
been invaded many times. You have to understand our psychology.
We built anti-bomber defenses in the ’60s and failed. In the ’70s we built
defenses in North Dakota and operated them for just four months. We spent a
lot of money on it, but it finally didn’t work. Now we are doing it again.
We say we are acting against North Korea, but I don’t think they are so
stupid as to launch missiles at us. If they do, we will know exactly where
they came from – not a generalized place, but the exact location. We can
destroy them immediately.
Of course, they can send a missile in a tanker to the San Francisco Bay
area or any U.S. Pacific port. This NMD system is against Russia, not North
Korea. Why? Because if your government loses control of the situation, one
Russian colonel who doesn’t like America and her wealth may push the button
and say: "Never mind, let these bastards die."
This is a much bigger threat than North Korea for us. Our president will
never say what I said to you – that the new missile defense system is
against Russia or China. He is selling the idea to the American people that
there is a threat from North Korea and the so-called rogue states.
But there is a weak point in this theory. Even if Russia is a weak country,
she will have enough nuclear deterrence against us, and will have the
capability to destroy our cities. The concept of nuclear deterrence is
built on the threat of retaliation. Russia would still have enough nuclear
missiles with all our anti-missile systems. Can you imagine an American
president saying "I destroyed all Russian nuclear missiles, but we lost New
York and Los Angeles from two Russian nuclear missiles that had been
launched before we could hit them?"
RJ:
What are your views on the current state of U.S.-Russian relations? Can
our countries trust each other, and did the Soviet Union and the United
States reach any level of trust in the days when you headed the CIA?
ST:
There was always some kind of trust between us. We always trusted each
other on arms-control agreements. That was important – there was a mutual
interest in avoiding a nuclear war. However, a great deal of mistrust was
also present in our relations.
RJ:
Was it a personal mistrust between the leaders of the two countries, or
rather a mistrust based on ideology?
ST:
Of course, on ideology. Much of that was based on misunderstanding. We
didn’t understand and still don’t understand Russian culture, the Russian
way of thinking. For a Russian journalist who is writing from America, I
suppose it would be very hard to tell the truth to a Russian audience
because Russian people might think that you are biased toward America.
The same problem exists for Americans, even for those who traveled to
Russia or have been working there. In spite of studying Russia for some
time as head of the CIA, I was stunned by the conditions in Russia when I
traveled through the country on the Trans-Siberian railroad in 1990. I was
really stunned by the backwardness of your provinces; conditions were much
more primitive than I expected, and buildings and facilities were in a bad
state of disrepair. This was not in any information on Russia provided to
me. When the train stopped and we could walk around, it proved much worse
that I anticipated.
RJ:
When the Soviet Union collapsed and Russia took over its obligations,
Moscow retained the U.S.S.R.’s foreign-policy strategy of viewing America
as an enemy and a threat. The same happened with Russia in America. For
Washington, Russia is still a major threat even though communism has
collapsed and the Soviet Union doesn’t exist anymore. What is behind this
mutual heritage of hate?
ST:
I don’t think that the American people think of Russia as a threat
today. Russia, with an economy and gross domestic product about equal to
Portugal’s, is not a threat to the U.S. except on the nuclear issue. The
Soviet Union had been a threat for many years, and when the Soviet Union
collapsed, we lost a threat; we lost an obvious enemy. Now we are trying to
find another enemy, and some people are trying to make it China.
Until Russia builds a stable economy, some Americans will think that the
unpredictability of Russia could be a threat. When I read reports from
Moscow that some Russian soldiers are begging for food because they are not
paid, I, as a military man myself, understand that you cannot rebuild the
military for a long time if you have gone so far down. If you don’t feed
your army and don’t pay them, you cannot be a threat to us.
But we in the States are worried much more by the cohesiveness of your
government. If your government doesn’t control the situation, your nuclear
arsenal being out of control could be a worry for you, for the entire
world. That is why we should cooperate with Russia. Since you are poor, and
we are rich, it is up to us to make a step forward and help. We can afford
it and you can’t. Another question is whether this help would work.
RJ:
For the past 10 years, America has provided Russia with a lot of help,
cooperated on many projects, pumped in millions of dollars. And that didn’t
help. Moreover, Americans are blamed for destroying the Russian economy.
What was wrong with the way the U.S. administered assistance all these years?
ST:
I think we didn’t understand the difficulties with Russia’s transition
period. We thought that you had enough background in democracy, market
principles and freedoms, and we would just have to push all these things
and everything will go well with Russia. In Poland, everything worked
because they had seen market principles at work and had only spent a very
limited time living under a socialist system. We employed the same ideas in
Russia as in some countries of Eastern Europe.
There was no base in Russia on which to build a structure of a new state.
What was the result? That the more we helped people in Russia, the less
result we had. However, we didn’t want to do any harm to Russia. Russia is
too big, and if you have problems, it will bring problems for the United
States in the long run. Yes, we don’t understand sometimes how to help
Russia, but we don’t want to hurt Russians.
RJ:
The Russian president says that the country is becoming stronger
economically, there is a growth in production, our armed forces are
receiving what they need and we are militarily strong. At the same time,
U.S.-based observers say that Russia is very weak – economically,
militarily and politically. How weak in your opinion is Russia? Does it
present a major threat for the United States?
ST:
Let’s re-member 1962. Khrushev pulled back from his threats to launch
missiles on the United States, but President Kennedy also pulled back
missiles from Turkey. They both understood that if we hit Russia, they
would hit Florida from Cuba, and we would not be able to stop it.
At the same time, to possess nuclear arms is not a symbol of strength. Who
has used nuclear arms after Hiroshima? Nobody. Everybody is afraid of the
consequences. Whatever missile defense we have, we cannot knock out all the
missiles of the other side. When Reagan was president of the United States,
he approved so-called Star Wars, but he couldn’t guarantee that all the
Soviet missiles would be knocked out.
The same is true now. Even if we could knock out 99 percent of Russian
missiles, 1 percent would still hit America. From the 3,000-4,000 missiles
that you have, there would be still 30-40 missiles that we could not
destroy. It means that New York, Los Angeles, Washington and other cities
would be destroyed.
And remember, here we are talking about just 1 percent of Russian missiles.
And what if we can hit only 80 percent of them? No anti-missile defense
system will ever work to 100 percent.
(Yury Sigov is U.S. bureau chief for Novye Izvestia. See next week’s issue
for Part II of this interview.)
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